There's a new map of the BSG star system...

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Wereghost, Jan 24, 2011.

  1. Dark Gilligan

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    But many of these planets might not been habitable in their original conditions. Any number of them could have been terraformed (or kobolformed as the case may be).
     
  2. Robert Maxwell

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    Then why was the very notion of terraforming never even mentioned in the show? One would think that would be a major factor in finding a new planet to settle on. For instance, if they had terraforming technology, they could've set about making New Caprica less harsh. Even if it was a decades-long process, they intended to stay there forever so why wouldn't they have at least attempted it?
     
  3. Admiral2

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    Works for me.
     
  4. HarryM

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    If you look at the Map it says they tried to "Kobolform" Pallas but were unsuccessful. ;)
     
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    While there may have been some experiments in terraforming...I doubt that the Colonies were advanced to carry out such an endevour due to time, money and lack of technology.

    The Colonies were no doubt more advanced than we are but they aren't THAT more advanced.

    I also don't believe they have continually had FTL drives since leaving Kobol (2,000 years ago?) because if they had they have been sitting at a cultural and technological dead end for a long long time.
     
  6. Dark Gilligan

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    Because the only directive Galactica and the fleet had following the Cylon attack was GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. There was no time to prepare for settling--let alone terraforming--another planet. Imagine the materials, resources, capital, and time that would be required for such an endeavor, none of which the Colonials had post-Exodus. They barely had enough food and water to take along, and were running out of both rather quickly.
     
  7. Robert Maxwell

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    If the Colonials had terraforming technology at any point, odds are at least 1 or 2 out of the 50,000 survivors would have some knowledge of it. It was never even mentioned which tells me it's a capability they do not and did not possess.

    The only "out" might be if they had it during the exodus from Kobol, used it to set up the 12 Colonies, then dismantled it and destroyed all records of how to build it. But at the time of the Cylon attack it appears they possessed no such technology.
     
  8. Wereghost

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    :lol: Good point. It also means that many of the minor colonies would have to be ignored.
    The population of the major colonies seems to be about 30 billion in total. Can anyone remember if Tigh put the total number of casualties at 20 billion or 30 billion in the Resistance webisodes? If the latter, it seems that he may have been kind of right despite Gaeta's later figure of 50 billion.

    Troy looks like it could be as hot as Mercury, too.

    True. God/Q/whatever does work. There are probably half-a-dozen workable explanations where there's some klind of relevant precedent in BSG lore.

    I think that maybe angels deleted their common sense. The first cylon war seems to have left them with an anti-progress, anti-technology mindset as alluded to in the miniseries. The idea of them just forgetting things because they happened a few thousand years ago isn't really a strong argument; given the technology that they seemingly had back then, the retention of records for prosperity ought to have been no problem. But then again, we have no real idea of the number of refugees. It may only have been akin to the population of the colonial fleet, or fewer.

    Good catch. Maybe Kobol looked like Earth-1 and Earth-2.

    I wouldn't be so sure. Never mind The Wrath Of Khan; terraforming would most likely be a huge undertaking, taking decades or even thousands of years. I don't think that it was really the first thing on the minds of many ofthe 50,000 semi-random survivors.
     
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    Or that Magician 2000 years ago that the Pope is always going on about.

    I prefer to think of the Colonial system as a single star system, with planets and moons. Sort of the like the New Earth system from Firefly. Whish Kevin states in his interview:

    This also contradicts largely what BSG Wiki has gleamed from the series...

    All complaining aside, I love this stuff. Don't see how Aquaria can be considered a colony when it's really only a research outpost with a population that 'swells' to half a million occasionally.
     
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  10. Robert Maxwell

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    I never once said it was the first thing on their minds. Obviously, escape and immediate survival were more important.

    But once they started seriously considering settling down (Kobol, New Caprica, etc.) they never once mentioned terraforming or anything resembling it. New Caprica would've been the ideal time to drop at least a reference to it. From everything presented on screen there was no evidence that the Colonials had any capabilities that could modify a planet's climate or atmospheric composition.
     
  11. Candlelight

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    That map has so many spelling mistakes and contradictions. In the size chart down the bottom Aquaria and Scorpia are spelt wrong. :p
     
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    Well, if they didn't have the technology with them, nor the ability to replicate it, I see no reason why it would come up in conversation (much of the settling of New Caprica takes place in the one year jump off-screen, anyway).
     
  14. Dark Gilligan

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    I'm not sure what you mean by terraforming technology or capability. We ourselves already know how to terraform; we've had that knowledge for decades. What we don't have is power or capacity. (And don't conjure up notions of vast atmo-producing machines as seen in Serenity. That's the stuff of fairy tales.)

    The easiest way to terraform a planet like Mars, for example, is to bombard it with ice-rich comets harvested from the Oort Cloud. There's your oxygen and water. Lace the clouds with earthly bacteria and you're on your way.

    Granted, a terraforming effort would take centuries if not millennia. But we could begin the process today, IF we had the power. We don't. Nothing in BSG suggested the rag-tag fleet had that kind of power either.
     
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    Troy was a domed mining colony, though, so it doesn't have to be habitable. Maybe it's tidally locked, and the dome was on the night side.
     
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    Boomer said she was from Troy, which, despite being a lie, still implies there is a population of sorts there.
     
  17. Admiral2

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    OR, none of the planets they encountered after leaving the Colonies were transformable using the methods they knew. Kobol suffered the same fate as the Colonies and Cylon Earth - probably worse being the origin world - and might have been unrecoverable. New Caprica looked to be in the middle of a mini ice age and the Humans would probably have died off before any serious terraforming took hold. The Algae Planet already had a breathable atmosphere and something else the Colonials needed, so terraforming it would have been counterproductive. Same for our Earth. Combine all this with the fact they were still being chased by the Cylons and having them sit back and talk about terraforming would be a waste of airtime. It's a storyline that would go nowhere and do nothing.
     
  18. David cgc

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    Yes. They live under a dome.
     
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    But still they are if not mythical very modest and Adama in his office has stuff that resembles Roman helmets, samurai warriors, old sail ships... And since they did not start from scratch on colonies like they did on Earth 2 those kind of things did originate on Kobol or descriptions of those things, but everything that happened on Kobol was litteraly in form of gospels and sacred texts and were not taken (too) serious anyway and probably didn't contain texts on building sail ships and whole history of Kobol to ancient wars like Rome is to us.
    But maybe the colonies themselves already had civilizations with witch Colonists fused together.
     
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    Do we know for sure that they didn't start from scratch after the Exodus from Kobol? Did the bits and pieces that were mentioned about that period over the course of the series establish anything for certain?