TheGodBen Revisits Deep Space Nine

Discussion in 'Deep Space Nine' started by TheGodBen, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. DalekJim

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    I love Brooks as much as anybody (Well, as much as anybody should!) but I hate that line of reasoning. Especially as the most famous similar plotline would be the ending of Close Encounters when the decidedly non-black Richard Dreyfuss ditches his family for aliens.

    Still, I don't mind it so much these days. We know that if Sisko does never return then Jake will ruin his entire life trying to get him back ala The Visitor. Which would negate the point of that episode and Jake's sacrifice in it.
     
  2. Seven of Five

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    Hmm, TNG vs. Farscape?

    I love TNG, or a lot of it anyway. Some of its earlier and later stuff is questionable, and I'd love to see you review that.

    However, I've also seen it a billion times.

    I bought a cheap complete series set of Farscape a while back now, on the recommendations of others here. I only made it around 14 or so episodes in before I kind of forgot about it. I'm not sure what distracted me from it as it's an amazingly quirky show. It take's a premise a bit similar to VOY's, but with far more interesting characters, and it isn't afraid to have fun with them.

    I should probably start watching again, as I've stopped apparently before the show got much better, as the episodes up to where I stopped were pretty much standalone.

    Not sure if that's a strong recommendation or not? :D
     
  3. Nagisa Furukawa

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    Do Doctor Who from An Unearthly Child to the present day.
     
  4. DonIago

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    I'm always up for reading reviews of Six Feet Under or Lost myself, though I suspect mine will be a minority vote.
     
  5. Seven of Five

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    Ooh they're good choices too.

    Basically, write it, and they will come.
     
  6. DalekJim

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    With Loose Canon recons for the missing stories.

    And skip a bunch of RTD episodes for the sake of sanity.
     
  7. Nagisa Furukawa

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    Agreed. And they're not too hard to find streaming with a bit of searching.

    Nah, "WHY AM I WATCHIN THIS???" negative reviews are funnier than positive ones.
     
  8. Harvey

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    I want to read TheGodBen's take on Farscape myself, but let us be honest -- I'd read reviews of The Flying Nun if he wrote them.

    Actually, do that.
     
  9. DalekJim

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    TNG is an awesome show but I find S1 incredibly tough to marathon. It isn't even bad in a fun way. It's just lop-sided, poorly paced and frequently boring.

    Voyage of the Damned and End of Time make Meridian look a lot more appealing.
     
  10. Sykonee

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    Uh oh, we might end up 'competing' again if you do Farscape :bolian: , as I've plans to do another Versus thread that would include it. But, eh, that probably won't be for another year anyway. (Too... many... projects...)
     
  11. Kestrel

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    Oooh, Farscape! I'd love to see your take on that - much as I love TNG, Farscape would be so entertaining!

    Well, fortunately there's no reason for TheGodBen to do that with any RTD episodes. Maybe parts of The End of Time, but only parts.
     
  12. TheGodBen

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    Nah, Doctor Who isn't really my thing. I watched the first series of nuWho when it aired because there wasn't much else on on Saturday evenings. It was okay, but it didn't interest me enough to continue with it.

    Lost has potential. I used to love it, but the time travel stuff in season 5 bored me, and the ending left me a bit soured on the whole experience. As such, I have the first four seasons on DVD but haven't bothered rewatching any of it since the finale. A rewatch from that perspective might be interesting.

    Also, I'm playing Far Cry 3 at the moment and that game is putting me in a bit of a Lost mood. A tropical island, smoke pillars, mysterious happenings, bears...

    I'm waiting on the bluray release. ;)

    Perversely, that's part of the reason why I'm tempted to go with TNG. TNG season 1 is probably the worst season of Star Trek ever produced, and I want to quantify just how bad it is with graphs.

    A year? So I would just about be finishing season 1 at that point? ;)
     
  13. Deranged Nasat

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    I've been thinking about the Prophet/Pah-wraith conflict, and it strikes me that there was a way to ground it in more complex moral conundrums and the show's prior mythology without altering how either side is presented. It seems to me that the Prophets and Pah-wraiths could be said to represent different aspects of the Bajoran character, symbolically at least - and I don't mean "good" and "evil". In season one, we see Kira Nerys trying to reconcile the anger and violence that the occupation forced her to adopt with her desire to live up to the peaceful ideals of the Bajoran faith. She was caught between two poles. It fits with her people's deities and the mythology surrounding them: the cool blue Prophets as the reflective, introspective insight and the pah-wraiths as the burning anger and will to destroy. During the occupation, we're told many times (by Sisko, by Winn, by Kira, by Opaka) that it was the Bajorans' faith in the Prophets that saved them (because it made them hold on to the better part of themselves, presumably). But wasn't it also their willingness to hate and rage and blow things up that saved them? Didn't liberation from Cardassia owe just as much to the burning anger at the injustice and the will to violence as to the "Prophet" side of the Bajoran soul? And yet the Bajorans reject that part of themselves, insist on only promoting the other side of things, just as the Pah-wraiths themselves have been banished from the temple. From their viewpoint, is that fair?

    Why not have the Pah-wraiths be seeking acceptance for their contribution? Tie the Wormhole Aliens/Deities arc back into the original "peaceful culture turned to terrorism" arc that was so important to the show's early seasons and its portrayal of Kira and the Bajoran culture.

    The Pah-wraiths could still be violent, hateful, destructive and in urgent need of being stopped, but rather than being EVIL they're seeking recognition. Bajor needed them, but then turned its back on them, and still aligns everything Prophet blue with "good" and everything Pah-wraith red with "evil" despite using both during the occupation to achieve their salvation.
     
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  15. Malformed

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    As much as I would love to read your reviews of the last 2 seasons of Doctor Who with Matt Smith, I would love, love, love, love to hear your take on TNG Season 1. It was so incredibly blandtastic that I am already laughing, thinking of all the droll and clever things you will tease from it.

    So please, TNG Season 1. After that, whether you do the rest is up to you
     
  16. BruntFCA

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    Another vote for TNG
     
  17. DalekJim

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    I think TNG S1 is too obviously bad and unintentionally funny to make for meaty reviews. It's like how reviews of The Room are never as funny or put across how bad it is more than watching the thing.
     
  18. Praetorian

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    If I may be so bold, I would suggest reviewing Farscape next. I would be quite interested in seeing how TheGodBen reacts to a such over the top, quirky, controversial and polarizing show.
     
  19. DonIago

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    Well, I think it would be awesome if you went through Lost, as I consider it one of my favorite shows. I admit I kind of enjoy the way it tends to polarize viewers as well; love it or hate it, at least you'll walk away with an opinion. :)

    And it looks and sounds -spectacular- on Blu Ray.

    I was kind of bummed when I started a SFU rewatch; I'd forgotten the show was in 4:3.
     
  20. InklingStar

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    I would be happy with either Farscape or TNG. I think the latter might be interesting because in my opinion seasons 1 and 2 are underrated. There are some good ones amongst the fluff, such as The Big Goodbye, Coming of Age, Heart of Glory, Measure of a Man, and more.