The Walking Dead Season 4

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Dream, May 6, 2013.

  1. Admiral2

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    That is a solution to the disease that’s most prevalent in her world: the one that makes dead people get up and try to eat living people. Immobilize them by cutting off or destroying the brain, then destroy the diseased tissue.



    Which is a perfectly rational option when all you have are primitive methods for fighting disease because there are no such things as clean rooms or pressurized isolation rooms anymore, you can’t mass produce antibiotics and you can’t get to the drugs already available because getting to them means going through masses of dead people who want to eat you.


    She probably does know better. She’s working with what she has at her disposal.


    Still on Team Carol.
     
  2. Ryan8bit

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    It's not a rational option at all. It's primitive, doesn't work, and ignores many basic facts about the spread of these types of disease. The best thing at her disposal was to do what they are doing now by isolating those with the disease, looking for preexisting medications, and possibly cultivating new remedies. Murdering them before they turn isn't really a solution, it's just psychopathic.
     
  3. DarthTom

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    Slightly off topic. Ouch - George Romero hates the Walking Dead:

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  4. PKerr

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    Why would you be a fan of something that totally blows away anything you've ever done in the genre and makes you irrelevant?
     
  5. DarthTom

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    I suppose. It's akin to Majel Barrett [rest her soul] or Gene Roddenberry telling JJ Abrams he's destroyed Trek.

    I dunno - a little more acclaim from the original of all the Zombie producers to the most successful today would have been more gracious - on his part.
     
  6. Kestrel

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    Yarp.
     
  7. PKerr

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    Well that would be a true statement. ;)
     
  8. TREK_GOD_1

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    I've already explained why Rick's motives and lack of action were suspect after Shane tried to take his head off at the school. Either Rick was saving Shane for later (eternally pissed that shane had his way with loose Lori) or he's the most clueless man on earth. Take your pick.


    So, you're willing to excuse him for being the "Ricktator," and are satisfied with the fact he even considered handing Michonne over to the Governor?

    There's no defense for that. He was placing her head on the chopping block. A living person--not a walker or someone on their way to becoming one, as in the case of Karen.
     
  9. TREK_GOD_1

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    Well said.

    Rick, the doctor and Hershel know nothing about the disease--or if it will respond to antibiotics. The one thing everyone knows is that the disease leads to death, and reanimation as a walker. Rick must suffer from some kind of Pollyanna complex to think Carol is dangerous, when she ended a problem that had only one conclusion.

    Rick did not know if the scouting party would return (a common risk in that world), so he's operating off of much assumption, and a truckload of hypocrisy, when we remember his ease with the ending of life in seasons 2 and 3.
     
  10. Ryan8bit

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    At that point, they only knew that two people died from it. And any doctor would know that even the worst diseases we've experienced in history didn't have a 100% mortality rate within a day. Basically, Carol had no way of knowing if they would die or not. And acting upon that lack of knowledge with murder isn't exactly in the right mind. She should have deferred to Hershel and Caleb, who were likely correct in diagnosing it as bacterial, and could have informed that most likely everyone in that cell block was already exposed.

    Also, I don't think Rick thought Carol was dangerous so much as that her life was in danger from Tyreese or possibly others at the prison. The situation was likely to cause unrest.
     
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    A bit OT here: how cool is Chris Jericho? I know nothing about current, or past, wrestling, but his viewpoints--and especially the very clear and intelligent way he expressed them? God, I wish the news could apply such analysis!
     
  12. Admiral2

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    Right, in a large open space that's not airtight and can't be made airtight with any surety, which means calling the patients there "isolated" is delusional in the extreme, especially if we find out that the disease is airborne!

    Which, again, requires risking getting overrun by hordes of dead people trying to eat you. How do you keep missing that?

    Do you know how long it takes to create a useful anti-viral? Or what resources you need? They are in an abandoned prison. Not a Merck Lab.

    It's a solution that takes into account their current reality, not medical knowedge that, while up-to-date, is only useful in a functioning society. Whatever you want to call their situation, "functional" ain't the word for it.
     
  13. thumbtack

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    It seemed that Rick was undecided on what to do about Carol until she didn't want to wait for the potential survivor. After she said, "It's time to go", they cut to Lincoln's face, and you could tell from his expression that was the moment he gave up on her and decided she wasn't coming back with him.
     
  14. sojourner

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    Yeah, Jericho was great. Especially after the train wreck of Manson on last week's Talking Dead.
     
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    Yeah, Talking was great this week. Looking forward to next time with Adam Savage that one should be great as well.
     
  16. Mojochi

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    Just had a thought. We all kind of realize Shane & Carol are of the same philosophy. Cut loose your humanity in order to do the terrible things. The interesting thing is that Shane tried to force that way of life, violently, emotionally. Carol just accepts it as easily as a husband who beats her. In THAT way, she hasn't changed. She's just gotten stronger & more independent. The Zombie post-apocalypse is her new abusive relationship & she's resigned herself to it.
     
  17. sojourner

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    Yep, she's doing the same thing she did with the abuse from her husband. Trying to normalize it as much as possible. In a way, she is trying to ignore it.
     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    Exactly; there is no isolation in an open-air environment. Prisons are not designed for medical isolation, so all they are doing is admitting that if someone is sick, they will turn, so you don't need that in the common area.


    Another great point. How are some so willing to believe there will be an answer in whatever drugs are left (and who is qualified to even concoct an anti-viral) for a disease they do not understand?

    True--they are just existing, and are not even as organized as Woodbury. Carol seems to be the only resident to figure this out, so she made a decision. Grim, but necessary.
     
  19. Ryan8bit

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    The disease is likely airborne, as that's typically how a flu will be transmitted, but usually a disease like that being airborne in a non-ventilated space means that it would not have much range. Isolating people far from the other group is actually a pretty safe bet in that case (with the exception that people were already infected). Murdering them won't change the level of pathogens already in the air.

    They're already in a scavenging situation just to survive, so adding medications to that list would be a priority.

    I never said anything about anti-virals. Hershel said it wasn't the virus that was killing, but the secondary infection, which is why he said they need antibiotics. It is possible for them to be creating something like a basic form of penicilin. Or to even be coming up with more natural remedies like the elderberries that Hershel collected.

    So do you then condone that they should kill every person with symptoms?

    Their current reality allows for basic precautions to be taken that don't have to involve murder, which won't even work.
     
  20. Trekker4747

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    I actually think he said the symptoms are more killing people, which makes sense. When your body is suffering from an illness it tends to get stupid and tries to kill the disease by killing the patient. Take running a fever as an example, you run a fever in order to raise the body temperature in hopes of killing the invaders that way. Well, too high of a fever can kill you, so we have medications to keep high fevers under control.

    Coughing, sneezing, running noise all ways the body copes with trying to get invaders out of the body and all things that can kill in extreme circumstances. So the goal seems to be whatever they can do to curb the symptoms is the goal right now under the hopes that the body will eventually cope with disease.

    It is a problem they're looking for antibiotics which are useless against viruses.