^ You're right. Joe's crowd do seem to be the kind that would kill homosexuals and child molesters. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe it's an indication of how far they have travelled from what they once were, that the would tolerate/promote this? I forgot to mention, in my post above, how much I loved Carl's question to his dad about what are they, what is their identity, what kind of people are they now? Is he asking because he can't remember what kind of folks they once were, pre ZA, or because he doesn't know because of how they have changed/what this world has done to them? Carl became one of my favourite characters in the second half of this season, too. Another thing I'm in the minority of, I guess.