The Walking Dead Season 3

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  1. auntiehill

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    ^Plus, he probably knows, better than most, just how bat-shit crazy the guy is. He seems to want to help, to do the right thing, but he is far, far too afraid of what the Governor would do to him. And rightfully so.
     
  2. Servo

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    Tyreese and his group are awfully trusting of new people, considering what they said they'd been through on the road. Interesting direction they're going in by having them side with Woodbury, though.

    I hope the father and son get done in pretty quick, they're just plain dicks. First trying to get Tyreese to help them take over the prison, and then actively offering to help the Governor take down Rick's group. Hopefully the Gov will use them as cannon fodder.
     
  3. Pavonis

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    Well, look at it from Tyreese's group's side. They just left a prison occupied by a group of pretty nice folks lead by a guy apparently bat-shit crazy, who drove them out. Then they run into the next best thing to civilization since the apocalypse. Seventy-some people in a walled town with most of the luxuries of the previous civilization - I'd side with Woodbury, too.

    Woodbury is the best chance anyone has of establishing a real survivable community in the post-apocalyptic era. The only bad thing about it is that it's run by someone as psychotic as Rick, but who hides it much, much better.
     
  4. DarthTom

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    As an aside, I'm curious if anyone has any information about why the people in Woodbury would be running extension cords to all of the light fixtures? Instead, why wouldn't they just hook a larger generator to the power grid and fire up the regular electrical connections in people's homes?

    Just an asthetic question.
     
  5. TREK_GOD_1

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    Rick is not psychotic. He's dealing with guilt/responsibility issues, which is far different than the governor, who sees himself as the overlord/puppetmaster of a weak-minded and/or scared flock (hence the Jim Jones references).
     
  6. propita

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    Talking Dead had a good short discussion on how Rick's moment of craziness drove Tyrese et al to the Governor.

    And Martinez is a big threat. Not to the Governor, at least not yet, because he doesn't seem to want to be boss, but because he likes to bully.

    Merle was fitting in pretty well there. Surprise! But maybe that's become his nature, after seeing how crazy the Governor is.

    And I don't want them to kill Judith. I want them to get the prison cleaned out a bit more. Settle there a bit. Though the show is built on a nomadic existence, that nowhere is safe anymore. I mean, how will you have "the walking dead" be a threat if they're all safely outside the fence? The focus of the show would have to change. If they stay at the prison, rebuild it, expand a bit--the next threat could be from any leftover governmental types.
     
  7. PKerr

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    In the Comic Michone is kind of Rick's Bodyguard and they are great friends and it would be nice if they start developing that next week.
     
  8. wissaboo

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    I don't know if love has anything to do with it. I think Merle for the first time in his life is out of his element. He's had the safety of Woodbury and soft beds and warm showers to retreat to all of this time. The last time he was living on the outside the world was still a lot safer. He's an opportunist and can see Daryl is better at this than he is. Plus, there might be an opportunity to exploit some of those other people who wronged him.
     
  9. Turd Ferguson

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  10. Silvercrest

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    That's valid, but you could explain it by saying that they don't have a larger generator, only multiple small ones. You can't sync those together and the wiring has to be kept separate. Therefore, lots of extension cords.

    Do we even know how much of Woodbury even has power? The communal areas, the Governor's suite, the upscale guest quarters, sure. But what about individual quarters?
     
  11. Pavonis

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  13. TREK_GOD_1

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    I do not see Merle as a replacement for Daryl, as they were/are different personalities from the start. no matter what happens, Merle would not have the background of a victim, like Daryl

    For that matter, I do not see that much of an exchange of similar characters elsewhere. For example, Herschel was introduced, but he's nothing like Dale, who under no circumstances rationalized killing enemies if push came to shove.

    Herschel might argue in favor of running, but he would not hesitate to shoot anyone threatening his family. Dale's left mindset reject that right up to the moment he dies.

    T-Dog and Oscar were also different other than being African American and male; T-Dog had a sympathetic view of others (well, not Merle), and felt he was on the outside of the group from time to time. Oscar was at home at the prison, no matter what he was in for, and was not a second fiddle.
     
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  14. Turd Ferguson

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    But we already got the notion that Merle is a victim in his exchange with Daryl in last week's episode after Rick told them under no circumstances would Merle be allowed back in the group. Daryl mentions something about Merle leaving (which I'm assuming has something to do with an abusive father figure), and Merle acts shocked that Daryl had stayed around to endure such an abusive relationship.
     
  15. auntiehill

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    ^I don't think it was that he stayed, as Daryl is so much younger. I think what he said was something like "He did that you, too?" and sounded rather surprised.

    The difference between Merle and Daryl is that Daryl doesn't seem to enjoy hurting people or inflicting pain. He WANTS to help, and however much he hates to admit it, he does want to make a connection with someone else. He didn't have to be kind to Carol when Sophia was missing but he felt compelled to do.

    Merle seems to revel in being cruel. He'll sacrifice almost anyone without the slightest hesitation. Let's face it; he's a mean bastard. Daryl is seriously badass, but he's not mean. At his core, he's actually a good person. Daryl is brave and Merle, while one badass MoFo, is actually kind of a coward. He picks on the little guy, is too scared to go after Michonne in the forest, and won't stand up to the Governor. He's an opportunist and a bully and even mocks Daryl, the only person in the world who gives a crap if he lives or dies.

    You most certainly cannot say that Merle could every replace Daryl. They are not the slightest bit the same. It's like saying Carol is just like Lori, because they are both female.
     
  16. Kestrel

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Merle legitimately grow though. The revelation that he and Daryl were both victims of abuse wasn't something I expected.
     
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    ^It was the quickest way to make Merle a more sympathetic character for the audience.
     
  18. Mojochi

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    Merle is poison. Any attempt to detract from that is a ruse. As a human being he has a sense of self preservation, and anything he does is to that purpose, but he is nevertheless poison, & the poison will always come to the surface

    He would have eventually gotten himself screwed with the Governor regardless, & his brother telling him to go to hell is right around the corner, & has been a long time coming. He is a cancer where ever he goes, because his only way to raise himself up is by bringing others down

    This is not a forgiving world in which they live (Unless you're Andrea I guess) Merle's way will get him killed eventually, because now more than ever, he must depend on others for his survival

    But even that will not stop him from poisoning this situation at some point, because ultimately he will never see this version of his brother as anything but having been polluted with pussy liberalism.

    His mistake is that he views what his brother has become as making him weaker, when in fact it makes him stronger, stronger than Merle has ever been or will ever be. If Merle ever realizes that, he'll be jealous, because he is a small pitiful coward hiding behind ruggedness & ruthlessness
     
  19. Dorian Thompson

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    QFT. QF absolute fucking truth. Merle's not going to become a nice guy. Merle views being merciful as being a pussy. Merle's like Shane. He thinks being ruthless makes you a leader. Merle won't be able to handle Daryl being a real man and a real leader.

    TPTB, as shortsighted as they can be, aren't stupid enough to kill off Daryl. Unless Berman and Braga have been put on staff.
     
  20. auntiehill

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    ^:lol:

    And the whole series turns out to be a dream Rick had while in a coma.