The Walking Dead Season 3

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  1. Caligula

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    He likely would have done the same had it been Amy in place of Andrea. The impression I get is that the bond he formed with the two sisters was such that his natural instinct was to act as a sort of father figure. With Amy dead, Andrea was all he had left of anything resembling a family. He didn't want to let go of that if he felt he didn't have to. Is this selfish? Well, yeah, sort of.... but then there's Andrea....

    Andrea had just lost her sister and had discovered that the CDC was not going to be the savior of the human race like she had led herself to believe. As far as Andrea was concerned, there was nothing left to live for. Her solution, suicide, was maybe even more selfish than Dale's argument against it. Both had their own feelings in mind, but had Andrea not chosen to follow Dale out of the CDC, she would have affected anyone in the group who gave a damn about her, not just Dale. In convincing Andrea to press on, Dale really only affected Andrea's feelings toward him (as the "You son of a bitch!" look she gives him in the RV afterwards indicates).

    Jacqui being left behind is a bit strange, but less so if you accept that the character was created for the show for the single purpose of keeping Dr. Jenner from having to die alone.
     
  2. Kestrel

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    Glad to see Tyrese and company join the show in this latest episode. Really liked his brief interaction with Carl and the way he treated him as worthy of respect. Really tired of the "black man in, black man out" though with Oscar getting not a single line and going down like a chump. He was a decent minor character and it was annoying seeing him redshirted like that. I couldn't tell, did we get any hint that Sasha and Ben have a thing?

    I give up on Andrea. I'm with Michonne here in her non-speaking assessment. At this point I don't know that I want her to survive what I assume will be a final battle between the prison group and Woodbury. She was one of my favorites in the comics, and was becoming a solid character at the end of last season, but I'm just done. Which will pretty much cut out half of what I have to say about the show. :lol:

    Interesting how they've given Merle a potential way to join Rick's crew via Daryl, I wasn't expecting that. Will be interesting to see how they survive the arena and how the inevitable showdown with Maggie and Glen goes. More important, how's Daryl gonna deal with all this? The character's popularity probably gives him Rick- or Carl-level plot immunity.

    Where are things gonna go with Axel? Is he gonna make a violent move on Beth and have Carl stop him dead? Try and kindle something with Carol because he's actually a fairly decent if awkward guy? The former is more likely for this show; I'd rather see the latter. And I'd like to see Beth start taking more initiative and having more of a role in the action if we're actually gonna see more of something between her and Carl. Creepy for the age difference? Yeah, but that was the World That Was - and at the least he'll be older soon. What I don't want to see is her having a crush on Rick (hence the kiss-on-cheek in the preview) and Carl being all mopey about it. Ugh, no thanks. More of a father-daughter relationship.

    The Governor is fucked in the head, but hey I knew that. Great fight between him and Michonne; they vastly toned down the extremes of what happened to both him and Michonne compared to the comics though (or Maggie as the case would have been), but I'm fine with that.

    Bring on Part Two of the season! Just... can we go a little while without any Disposable Black Men?

    To be fair, a big part of that was how they decided to change Andrea's character entirely and keep his the same (if more whiny and not at all dangerous [seriously, not a single kill?]) for the show. So instead of this old widower who's been traveling around with two college-age girls that really care about him and kind of adopted him after he saved them, to the point that after the younger girl dies horribly the remainder mutually fall in love with each other to form a bedrock part of the storyline for a looong time, we have... well, the TV version.
     
  3. propita

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    Why can't there be two strong black men on the show? It would've been great to learn more about Oscar in general. He seemed intelligent but...damaged/hurt.
     
  4. Enterprise is Great

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    It's just budgetary. They just brought in a new group of characters this week so they have to make room for them. I'm guessing that Tyreese is a new series regular considering he plays a major role in the comics.
     
  5. RJDiogenes

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    So what? He focused on his friend, the one he had bonded with, as pretty much any other Human being in the world would do. And so what if his motives were partly sexual? Is it "creepy" that Rick's feelings toward Lori were partly sexual? He never made a move on her. And why would it matter even if he did? Because of the age difference? There's no problem with that in the real world, either. He was a good guy who helped out his friend the best way he knew how.
     
  6. Kegg

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    If she was, the series executed the idea poorly, chiefly because they have Andrea consider joining her and then getting talked out of it. It basically comes off as 'there are people who care about Andrea but we're okay with leaving Jacqui to die.'

    Lori was Rick's wife and those feelings were reciprocal and Rick did not fuck with Lori's head. It's not even remotely comparable. Fucking with someone and demeaning them because you like them but therefore feel a posessive need to dictate their choices and their freedom, assuming an arbitrary, unearned and unasked for status as guardian... yeah.

    This is admittedly a well the writers draw from for Andrea a little often. Shane was a trainwreck waiting to happen, the Governor is manipulating her in a far more disturbing way - Michonne's been about the only good influence on her life, and Michonne spends the entire season unable to articulate the most basic levels of suspicion to Andrea.
     
  7. TREK_GOD_1

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    If he said that, then he's operating from a belief I would expect from a 2 year old, as exposure to the elelments (sun/radiation, insects, larger animals, etc.) does not lead to a mummified state, which is the reason bodies discovered out in the open after a certain period of time are reduced to bones.

    We know this is fantasy, but excuses like Darabont's (trying to apply a real world rationale) do not help the credibility of the series' zombie population matter.
     
  8. Dorian Thompson

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    They're zombies. They don't have credibility in population or anything else. There are no real life counterparts. They're zombies. They can do whatever the writers wish for them to do.
     
  9. Tom Hendricks

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    You also don't know what other changes the infection/virus makes to human body besides reanimation.
     
  10. Rhaven

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    In a way, this makes sense. Normally environmental conditions et al and time would help anything decompose. But if the virus makes the zombie more resilient, then they would be around a lot longer.
     
  11. Mr. Adventure

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    I'm bummed out there won't be any new TWD tonight. Oh well, I hear good things about the game, going to get that in a couple of days.
     
  12. TREK_GOD_1

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    Agreed. Rick's dealings with his wife were not manipulative, and normal, considering the nature of their relationship. Dale seemed like a wanna-be puppet master who sought a "bride" for his leftist world views, since Andrea had a few of her own (trying to get Beth to "explore" a decision about suicide).

    That was yet another examples of the writers painting themselves into a corner: if Michonne said more about Woodbury, then Andrea would be forced into a decision early on, which takes her away from the town, or if she believes Michonne, but still stays in Woodbury, Andrea comes off like a total ass. Well, the second option really does not matter, since Andrea is the biggest ass of the series next to the governor.
     
  13. TREK_GOD_1

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    ...but this is never explained on camera, so the audience should not be expected to create a zombie physiology that does not exist, or based on collective creative solutions used by other zombie films.
     
  14. Blue_Trek

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    It seems that the zombies if they have no food for long enough time do what the human body would do, lay down and rest.
    Only they don't die, they just hibernate somehow, decaying at an extremely slow rate, if a human comes close they wake up to try to feed. I wonder how long a zombie can exist without any food or water, it is after all still a human body subject to biology.
     
  15. RJDiogenes

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    Oddly enough, I don't consider saving someone from suicide "fucking with them" or "demeaning" them. Presumably, you also feel that Carol is "creepy" and should die. After all, she is an older woman attracted to a younger man and she "fucked with him" and "demeaned" him when she "manipulated" him by appealing to his human feelings. She even propositioned him. Yucky poo.
     
  16. TREK_GOD_1

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    That depends on why they are saving another from suicide.

    As Kegg pointed out:

    ...the reason Andrea became pissy with Dale in general--even after she was seemingly over his suicide intervention. Dale seem to want to mold her into his fantasy--someone who shared his beliefs (and hang ups).
     
  17. Kegg

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    He didn't save her. He guilt-tripped her - and only her (that other people were going to also commit suicide is besides the point). And after that he's seen confiscating her gun and generally treating her like his ward, which she's not. She's an adult and a lawyer, and this kind of infantilizing presumptiveness was pretty uncomfortable.

    Carol did actually have a bizarre (and tbh out of character) Lady MacBeth moment when she pushed Daryl to take over from Rick in the season two finale. That definitely qualifies as manipulative.

    Other than that scene her relationship to Daryl has never implied the kind of mind games Dale played with Andrea. She's never demanded Daryl give his weapons to her, treat him like he's her non-adult son. So far as I can remember she never tried to guilt trip him either (but there was a lot of stuff going on about Sophia and it could be a scene has slipped my mind).
     
  18. wissaboo

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    you guys think Carol is older than Daryl?


    and seriously, wouldn't we all push Daryl into taking control from Rick?
     
  19. Kestrel

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    I always forget about Jacqui. Good point about her.

    Most viewers wouldn't care.

    Andrea was a Civil Rights lawyer. Given that informed background, it makes sense for her to already agree with Dale on a lot of things.

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure all the guilt Daryl feels about Sophia is self-imposed.
     
  20. Enterprise is Great

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    Going by the actors age Melissa McBride is 47 and Norman Reedus is 43.