The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by PsychoPere, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. DarthTom

    DarthTom Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    However, in one episode she basically begs Rick to handle Shane and then gets pissed last night when he did.

    Perhaps she didn't expect him to murder him but she essentially set the whole situation in motion by:

    1. Telling Rick that Shane was becoming a huge problem and telling Rick to handle it

    2. Giving Shane a false sense of hope about their relationship with that apology in the prior week's episode.

    Was she being manipulative of both of them or just plain stupid?

    In any case, for her to get angry at Rick for handling the problem with Shane and that he did try to kill him I think it's bizarre for her to react in the way she did.

    Also for the writers to explain her behavior as, "Lori being angry at herself,' was just idiotic.
     
  2. Crom!

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    Lori's irrationality is largely due to her being pregnant.
     
  3. Silvercrest

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    Look at it this way. She may be used to nagging and manipulating to get her way-- yes, partly due to conflicting emotions-- but it never got anyone killed before. She should be angry at herself. That was a major wakeup call. Maybe now she'll realize what she's doing.
     
  4. Tom

    Tom Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Married, with.. Walkers! :) Even Peggy Bundy is better than Lori lol

    Speaking of Lori, she has no right to get mad at Rick because Carl shot Shane, if she was a competent mother she would not have allowed Carl to sneak out again!
     
  5. davejames

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    It sounded to me like she was genuinely sorry for putting Shane through all the pain and anguish he was feeling. After initially wanting Rick to off Shane, it's possible she had a change of heart and was trying to diffuse the situation instead.

    Of course obviously it didn't work, and only made Shane even more crazy.
     
  6. Derishton

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    I agree with this, admittedly as someone who thinks the character is written very badly. The problem for me is that in a world like this one, most people would be off their rockers by now - wildly inconsistent, irrational etc (with the fact that nobody will have their meds anymore being only a small part of it). Yet narrative - actual story - needs to be consistent and organized and coherent; it can only pretend to be chaotic or it loses the audience, who need the comfort of narrative organization.
     
  7. davejames

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    Agreed, but I don't really see that happening here. Even if Lori is acting a bit strange and conflicted, it's just one character. I don't really see her behavior affecting the story as a WHOLE in any way.
     
  8. DarthTom

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    My gripes are generally very small with this show. I guess because the acting and writing has been so incredibly strong thus far my expectations are very high on the writing and the people who act out the parts.

    Lori's behavior IMO didn't fit the circumstances and their explanation of it was odd on the Talking Dead immediately after the show.
     
  9. Derishton

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    I laughed at the moment where she finally pulls a gun and shoots a zombie in the head: one, because it meant she finally realised there was a freaking zombie attack occurring and that shouting for Carl might not be the best strategy; and two because the producers were so clearly, if lamely, trying to redeem her. "See? She's like a good shot and sometimes, rarely, actually tries to help. See?!?"
     
  10. Silvercrest

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    "Look, there's Andrea! Quick, drive away so I don't have to admit she was right."
     
  11. Alpha Romeo

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    No the helicopter is something else but it is connected to the governor.
     
  12. Scroogourner

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    I know the prison storyline in the comics is great, but is anyone worried about a general backlash against it in regards to the show? I can see a lot of reviews to the effects of "great, they finally get off the farm and now they're going to sit in a prison all season".
     
  13. timothy

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    well hopefully we will have a full 25 ep for the next season.

    and for the lori haters don't for get she has'nt told Rick that shane tried to rape her at the s.e.c back in atlanta. but she is over protective of carl big time.
     
  14. PsychoPere

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    That's possible, but I think - even excluding my personal knowledge of the comics - that a prison setting presents more obvious storytelling opportunities than a farm. Securing parts of the prison, exploring, finding people who may have been left behind, and so on. I think most reviewers would look at the prison as a more "exciting" or "interesting" setting than the farm.

    Won't happen. Ever. Stop posting about this wish for a "full" season in threads devoted to cable shows. 13 episodes is cable standard; anything more, such as the 16 total we'll be getting for this show next season, is a bonus.
     
  15. Mistral

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    Someone needs to put a bell around that kid's neck. Or duct tape him to a chair.
     
  16. Ryan8bit

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    I think people have too high of expectations as to the locales. It makes sense that people trying to survive would attempt to establish a safe place that they could live in. I didn't mind them being at the farm for as long as they were, although admittedly some of the story could have been condensed.

    As long as they keep it interesting and the plot moving, it should be fine. The last few episodes of this season were a good example of that.
     
  17. Temis the Vorta

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    WOW! Great frakkin' season finale! It will be a long wait till Sept... :( Fewer people died than I expected. I was relieved to see that Andrea was not a goner, they need to hang onto her for a while yet.

    The helicopter is a sign that there's some kind of organized attempt to handle the zombies, inducing them to migrate towards some gigantic firepit where they can be destroyed. Tough luck for anyone who's in the migration path, such as Our Heroes. I doubt it has anything to do with the prison we saw in the final scene.

    On the subject of irrational characters, yes, it can be an annoyance if it it gives the writers carte blanche to just have the characters do any old thing for the convenience of the plot and chalk it up to zombie-induced PTSD. There haven't been any truly egregious cases yet, but a lot of marginal ones.

    Rick not telling everyone what Jenner said: he gets a pass because like I said before, it's not clear how to interpret something like that. Jenner could be wrong or lying just to fuck with all of them, or even to induce them to stay and commit suicide with him.

    Even if he's right, what does it mean? Does it mean that any of them can turn into zombies at any time? That would be my first assumption. Until it happens, there's no reason to depress everyone with that thought. I'm sure they're all thinking it now. And Rick did confirm that until he saw Shane turn, he wasn't sure what Jenner meant/if he believed him anyway.

    The possibility that everyone on Earth became quickly infected with the airborne virus explains something I've been thinking is just a production convenience, the large number of uneaten or even partially eaten zombies. It's hard to tell how many of them have visible bites, given the state of decomposition.

    Why aren't there more Bicycle Girls around? Because it would drive the budget through the roof of course, but now there's an in-story reason: a lot of people were turned by the virus immediately, without being bit and without dying first. That would explain why there weren't more pockets of survivors holed up in defensible positions, like you'd expect from a virus that had to be transmitted only by close contact.

    The few survivors are doubly lucky: resistant enough to the virus not to turn immediately, and quick-witted/fast on their feet/gun-owning enough to avoid being killed by the zombies. If they are all fated to turn eventually, when the virus finally kicks in, that's not very lucky, more like slow torture, but it's possible some are naturally resistant to the virus entirely.

    Another (more interesting) possibility is that doctors the hospital where Rick was staying managed to create a vaccine and experimented on patients to see if it worked. It killed the patients, but ironically, that's part of how it worked. It killed Rick - that's why Shane didn't hear a heartbeat - and resurrected him, immune from the virus because the virus has already done its work. The vaccine doesn't prevent people from dying, it prevents them from becoming zombies after death.

    This scenario also explains the still mysterious incident Shane observed in the hospital - soldiers gunning down non-zombified doctors. That was probably revenge after the doctors apparently murdered test subjects.

    All this won't be revealed for a while - probably not next season, even - but it would be cool if how it's revealed is that Rick is killed. Everyone's waiting for him to revive as a zombie, Lori is freaking out and won't let Darryl put him down, then Rick wakes up - perfectly normal. And at that point, everyone remembers Shane's story about not hearing a heartbeat...

    So, see yall back here in Sept! :D I'm looking forward to the Season of the Prison. There's no reason you can't get 13 amazing kick-ass episodes out of a bunch of zombie apocalypse survivors hunkered down in a prison.
     
  18. Temis the Vorta

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    Or, people don't die from zombie bites. They die like Amy did - from massive blood loss, and then they turn. Wouldn't have mattered whether a zombie had caused that massive blood loss. If they're already infected, the possibility remains that the virus is simply taking longer to turn them than it did for others. We've already seen that post-mortem, the "incubation period" varies widely.

    But they can't have the characters thinking along these lines until the vaccine plotline is close to kicking in. It would render them too hopeless. Shane was starting to turn into a zombie before Rick killed him. That was an ironic stroke of luck, because if Rick had seen Shane turn without being killed or bit, that would be utterly hopeless for everyone and they'd all just commit suicide, end of story.

    The producers can keep dropping little hints about it, but there's a good season or two ahead before they need to activate that plot twist.
     
  19. Borgminister

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    Or even 16 episodes!
     
  20. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    We get 16 episodes next season??? That's almost like a regular season! :bolian:

    Personally, I was never bored by the farm. I have no problem at all with a story pacing itself reasonably.