The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

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  1. Kosh Naranek

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    Andrea has become a total bitch, and is not even entertaining to watch. Shane may be horrible (in my book), but he is entertaining as hell.
     
  2. sojourner

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    I think the writers just have a hard time writing for the women characters in general. The whole part of the episode with "just the women" was a clusterfuck.
     
  3. Derishton

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    I agree 100%. There've also been suicide moments in the books, both involving characters still around on the show, and I think the show is stealth-addressing those. The two are:

    Carol and Maggie; the first is successful, and in a particularly dangerous way: she lets herself get bitten by a chained zombie. Obviously, this is particularly irresponsible, since it leads to the possibility that Carol ceases to be suicidal and instead becomes a carnivorous killing machine.

    Given the latter, it makes perfect (if cold) sense to let someone off themselves in a relatively controlled manner ... if that's what they're going to do. There's no suicide prevention hotline anymore.
     
  4. Alpha Romeo

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    Trainwreck, cluster fuck. Your versions of these leaves much to be desired. I thought Lori conveyed her feelings well and andrea has been developed into a hard fighting machine as she is in the comics.
     
  5. Dream

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    I hope you would think differently if it was someone from your family that wanted to commit suicide.
     
  6. MPH

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    Im not sure why the writers on this series seem to be making most of the characters totally unlikeable, I wish some of them would get eaten by the Zombies.
     
  7. Dream

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    If most of the characters were likeable, it would be a pretty boring show.;)
     
  8. Scout101

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    I hope you realize we're talking about surviving in a zombie-infested wasteland, and she's not considering suicide because her boyfriend broke up with her. Think we can discuss this just fine in the framework it's in without trying to add more drama and appealing to emotion to attempt to win an argument that's not even happening, thanks.

    And since Andrea basically was in the same place herself at the end of Season 1, I'd think she's pretty well qualified to make a call on this one.

    In this new reality, they can't afford to watch her forever, and there's no suicide watch to commit her to. If she WANTS to do it, it's GOING to happen. Andrea was just forcing the choice. Once she backed down from going through with it, that fixes the issue WAY faster than watching her for months and hoping the urge goes away, and nothing else goes wrong. The girl is now over it, and wants to live, and came to that on her own.

    Sink or swim, i suppose.
     
  9. RJDiogenes

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    While it was embarrassing, it was also realistic. A sad number of people still think in those stereotypical terms-- I have relatives who have conversations like that all the time. And this series takes place in the South, where those old-time notions are even more prevalent.
     
  10. sojourner

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    It was disjointed in that half the cast just seemed to blink out of existence.

    I'll admit the Shane/Rick part of the episode was good, but the girls part? Not well constructed.
     
  11. Dream

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    Yeah, Andrea was in the same position, but she grew out of it and doesn't want to commit suicide anymore. If she had been allowed to get herself blown up at the CDC, she would be dead right now and the group would be less one person that can protect the group.

    I don't understand why she treats Dale like crap. Ungrateful bitch! :p

    Also that was a dumb move by Andrea. If she had let Beth die on her watch, instead of just her not being allowed in the house, the Hershel family would definately want the entire group gone.

    This is another Rick or Shane argument. You gotta do what you gotta do to survive, but you can't get rid of your humanity. Eventually everyone will be suicidal, but that doesn't you just let everyone die.
     
  12. sidious618

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    The writing for women in this show is almost always godawful but I thought the plot with the women was actually an improvement this past week.
     
  13. Dream

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    Indeed. This isn't bad writing. Plenty of women are like Lori who think a woman should cook and clean for her man while her man provides and protects her family. Don't hate the writing, hate the fact that Lori seems to be one of those women who is simply content to be a housewife.
     
  14. Alpha Romeo

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    By what rule must the entire ensemble cast be part of EVERY episode? You are grasping at straws.
     
  15. Dream

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    Many shows like LOST do this all the time. It is a good way to develop characters since they don't have to share screentime with everyone else. I wish the writers would do this more for the show.
     
  16. sojourner

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    I'm not saying everyone needed a significant number of lines. I'm saying that they seemed to have vanished into thin air. Heck, there wasn't even anyone visible in the background when Lori went outside. It was odd. And that was a separate observation from the gripe about the writing, so not sure what I am "grasping at straws" about.

    I personally thought the episode as a whole was not well structured. Merely an opinion and not trying to force that on anyone.YMMV.
     
  17. Dream

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    Why do you need to see every character every episode? In real life people don't need to see everyone they know in real life to know that they still exist. The other characters could simply be doing something unimportant, which is why the writers decided not to include them in the episode.

    Do you need to see T-Dog make a five second appearance and say one line in every episode to be happy?
     
  18. sojourner

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    ^I don't think we need to see every character every episode. I don't think everyone needs a line. (fuck, I even said as much in my last post. How obtuse can someone be?)
    I just think it was odd that we didn't see anyone in the background. It's the first time on the farm we haven't seen anyone except those important to the episode. In previous episodes there's always been other members of the cast wandering about. It's not that there aren't many in the background or that one particular person is missing. It's the fact that not one of them is fucking there. Is that clear enough?

    Jesus.
     
  19. Dream

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    I'm guessing the writers might have wanted the other actors to have a rest for this episode. They might be preparing everyone to do the season finale, which is bound to be intense and full of action.
     
  20. Servo

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    Randall is a ticking bomb. After the way he went after that zombie woman ("Let's see what you've got, bitch"), and kept stabbing her in the head repeatedly, I think he's full of shit and is just as bad as the guys that left him behind. I'm not even convinced he really knows Maggie. Aside from using her name, which he could have easily picked up from the group, he gave no real information to back it up.
    Sure, using Maggie's name may have put him one step closer to a bullet in the head, but he may not have considered that while he was trying to talk the guys out of leaving him tied upon the floor in Zombieville. I said he was full of shit, but I never said he was smart.
     

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