The Reality of Star Trek

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Enow, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Avon

    Avon Commodore Commodore

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    the NWO are so 1996

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    but they're all old now, so i don't think they'll be able to stop star trek happening.
     
  2. Enow

    Enow Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Let's stick to the topic, okay? Let's not get personal here.


    It doesn't matter. There are no class M planets to send anybody to. There are only possibilities, but nothing definitive.
     
  3. BillJ

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    I actually see that as evidence of God being broken. If God created mankind then he should be the one to take the heat for making a defective product.
     
  4. BillJ

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    You're the one who brought up science.


    The only way to get definitive answers is to go to various stars, something that is currently beyond our technology.
     
  5. Enow

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    I'm sorry that I did not see you were deviating from the point of discussion in the OP about applying the reality of Star Trek to our present day lives in determining the hope of it ever coming about.

    That was why I was seeing it as your opinion. Sorry.
     
  6. Avon

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    ^ all that biblical prophesy bullshit wasnt in the OP so thats deviation too if you're going to pick people up on stuff
     
  7. Enow

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    LOL!:techman:

    Well, anyway, the point was that the reality of Star Trek in relation to our present state of affairs leaves it wanting. It can never really happen in my opinion.
     
  8. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    No, see that god only gets positive reviews. If a group of skilled surgeons and nurses work together, over many hours, to save someone's life, then God healed them.

    If a man rolls his car while hitting the Interstate at 90 MPH, and he survives, then God's grace saved him.

    The child that's starving to death due to famine and disease? God had nothing to do with that. Though according to the Bible, God caused all manner of plague on those he didn't like, and that included people who simply did not worship or know of him.

    The hundreds of thousands of people who died in a Tsunami? God had nothing to do with any of that. Except according to the Bible, where God apparently caused all manner of disaster against those who didn't worship or know him.

    Today though? Totally different god, apparently. Now God's a nice guy, wants to help you. All that stuff that happened? That's in the past, or you just don't understand how God moves in mysterious ways. God is wholly just, and good, and wise, and kind, and just wants to love you. He loves you! All that talk about war, and death, and famine, and disease, and the blood, and the slaying, and the drowning, that was just his message! His message of love!

    Now, human beings try to save the starving child, and rush aid to the victims of that natural disaster? Yeah, it's mankind who is broken. It's mankind who is evil, not God. Just wait until billions of people die in the tribulation, as blood flows, natural disasters are wrought against the world, and each person suffers because they aren't following God. He'll show you how much he loves you! He only does it because he loves you!

    Honestly, kids, modern Christian eschatology reads a lot like the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

    In short, to stay on topic, the humans in Star Trek don't need a savior, since they're doing just fine treating each other with compassion and kindness, eliminating disease and famine, working to make a better world for all humankind, and we, here in this universe, don't need a savior that likes to come in at the last minute, when other human beings have done all the work, only for him to claim the credit.

    Prince of Peace, my ass.
     
  9. Enow

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    "Mutually exclusive" applies only until it happens.
     
  10. Gov Kodos

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    The world of Trek is far more likely to come about than the one coming from a cobbled together collection of tribal myths peddled by the Christian churches.
     
  11. Misfit Toy

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    The topic is the "Reality of Star Trek". Star Trek is fiction. It isn't real. It's a valid topic for discussion only if one can keep that in mind.

    So the world of Harry Potter is only fictional until it isn't?
     
  12. Enow

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    You do not know my God then.

    Would you say the same thing to a Klingon or a Bajoran in that Star Trek "reality"? The "spirit" of Star Trek would lead you in "optimism" to not say anything negative at all.

    Or am I wrong in what your fantasy would require you to do in that spirit of optimism?
     
  13. Coloratura

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    Oh, I most certainly know of your god. Having been a fundamentalist Christian minister for nearly a decade, and having been raised in a non-Denominational Christian home, I am fully aware of the god you worship. It's a shame you don't seem to see it, as you seem to accept your captor, and abuser, as your savior.

    You can bible up whatever you like; I've already seen it.

    Yes. I have no need of their gods, either.

    "Optimism" does not equal "free of disagreement." Optimism is about a brighter future, where humanity pursues goals that lead away from selfishness, ignorance, greed, and war.

    You are quite wrong, yes.
     
  14. Gov Kodos

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    Within Star Trek, the Bajoran gods (The Prophets) exist. There's no proof of sky-daddy in real life.
     
  15. BillJ

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    They exist, but there's no proof that they're Gods. Just really advanced aliens. :techman:
     
  16. Gov Kodos

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    That's true. Prophets, like Mohammed, who also exists. You can visit his tomb, unlike that fellow the Christians yammer on about.
     
  17. Enow

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    Interesting.

    If a man got bitten by a snake with a venom of slow acting poison and he knows he is going to die eventually, but the doctor has the antidote to save the man, whose fault is it when the man refuses the antidote because he likes the decaying state he is in more than being saved from being that way?

    When Thallus, a secular historian, wrote about an eclipse at the time of the crucifixion of Christ, but Julius Africanus, another secular historian, corrected him because there was no eclipse scheduled at that time, where did all the light go?

    What did you think would happen when our Creator took our sins upon Himself on that cross and suffered a seperation from God the Father in Heaven?

    Jesus Christ was made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him. No greater love than that than he that lays his life down for his friends.

    Jesus Christ paid the penalty for the wages of our sins. He is the antidote as sin did seperate us from God.

    Now He is risen and our hope rests in Him not just for eternal life, but our hope rests in Him to help us to live as His as we ought to wherein sin will not have dominion over our lives anymore. By the grace of God we are saved, and by the grace of God we go by faith in the Son of God in us.

    Anyway: just saying that all God expects from us is to hope in Him. Any expectations we are failing in as hyped up by religious people, that is what we are to trust Him in taking care of and believe Him that He will do it.

    Believing Jesus Christ is the antidote. The lake of fire is what every sinner is heading towards as total seperation from God and all that is good will be the result. Love has been shown by God, and the way back to Him has been provided. His promise is that all those that seek, shall find.

    So take pause and reconsider your stance because where you spend your eternity is really at stake. Don't let religious people clutter up why Jesus Christ is called the Good News.
     
  18. Coloratura

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    Don't start witnessing here. You're not dealing with wide eyed innocents, you are in a thread full of people who know better, who have studied longer, and who learned far sooner.
     
  19. BillJ

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    You worry about your soul and I'll worry about mine.
     
  20. Avon

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    ^ this post is why i'm so glad to be an atheist.
     

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