The racist legacy of Star Trek

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Afrika Bambaata, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. T'Girl

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    Part of the problem with the Reverend King story is that Nickels obviously embellished it through the years, which doesn't automatically mean it didn't happen in it's simplest form.

    A short note in the mail telling her to stick with the show. Then it's a personal phone call. Then it's a meeting with King while he is in Los Angeles for some big speech.

    However, the fact that the story kept changing with each telling does cast doubt.

    :)
     
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  2. Gov Kodos

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    Thanks, I couldn't be sure if it was something I imagined or read.
     
  3. Captain Clark Terrell

    Captain Clark Terrell Commodore Commodore

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    Her name is Nichols.

    --Sran
     
  4. urbandefault

    urbandefault Commodore Commodore

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    I read it somewhere in the mid 70s, don't know which book.

    MLK's niece, Dr. Alveda King, still tells the story that her uncle encouraged Nichelle to stay with the show.
     
  5. LMFAOschwarz

    LMFAOschwarz Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Sort of like the "game of telephone"..

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  6. scotpens

    scotpens Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I like my fish analogy better. :)
     
  7. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I also don't think it's in The World of Star Trek, but someone will have to check. Does anyone have Letters to Star Trek or Star Trek Lives! or other books where this might've come up?
     
  8. T'Girl

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    Nothing in Star Trek Lives.

    :)
     
  9. T'Girl

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    PoTAToes.
     
  10. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    :confused: I think Ms Nichols knows the proper way to spell her own name.
     
  11. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Let's call the whole thing off.
     
  12. Drone

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    Yes^^^ Though Trek's "Book" was in its infancy, I would surmise that McCoy was not displaying overt racism towards Vulcans but rather challenging the ability, and perhaps efficacy, of someone of Spock's dual nature to be so fully invested in the Vulcan mode of personality reconcilement.


    Wouldn't it seem unlikely that Roddenberry would countenance a major character so expressing himself if it would be widely interpreted as being racially based disdain or the like? Aside from which, it would fly in the face of the message of acceptance and understanding that humans putatively hold for a race that is so integral to this brave new culture.


    As mentioned earlier in the thread, Stiles certainly was upfront with his distaste for Spock at a racial level, but that was totally tied up with his personal familial history and the Romulan-Vulcan reveal ( I don't know if that is the case in his book protrayal). McCoy may also have looked askance at certain Vulcan traditions, but I would read that as being more the representation of the character as the skeptical romantic than as an indication of ignorance or prejudice, willful or otherwise.
     
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  13. T'Girl

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    McCoy was always completely respectful toward other Vulcans he encountered on the show, so he wasn't prejudiced or racist towards Vulcans as a race/species.

    His "teasing" of Spock therefor wasn't racist, it was aimed solely at Spock as a individual.

    :)
     
  14. AustNerevar

    AustNerevar Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I guess that's a fair point. My father had a friend before I was born that he used to mutually joke around with about race. I've personally never found any kind of ethnically insensitive jokes humorous, but if mutually it's kept between two parties with no malice behind it, I guess it's not a big deal.

    Though, I can't really say for certain that Spock was a consenting party.
     
  15. Robert Comsol

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    Exactly. Spock displayed a somewhat hypocritical attitude concerning his claims to be Vulcan and his actual Human reactions in contrast.

    Like any good doctor, McCoy realized that Spock was a patient trapped in some kind of "denial" and constantly tried to help Spock to realize that. Spock usually came up with excuses

    KIRK: Now we all know, and I'm sure the doctor will agree with me, that desperation is a highly emotional state of mind. How does your well-known logic explain that?
    SPOCK: Quite simply, Captain. I examined the problem from all angles, and it was plainly hopeless. Logic informed me that under the circumstances, the only possible action would have to be one of desperation. Logical decision, logically arrived at.

    MCCOY: There's just one thing, Mister Spock. You can't tell me that when you first saw Jim alive that you weren't on the verge of giving us an emotional scene that would have brought the house down.
    SPOCK: Merely my quite logical relief that Starfleet had not lost a highly proficient captain.

    MCCOY: Do you know why you're not afraid to die, Spock? You're more afraid of living. Each day you stay alive is just one more day you might slip and let your human half peek out. That's it, isn't it? Insecurity. Why, you wouldn't know what to do with a genuine, warm, decent feeling.
    SPOCK: Really, Doctor?

    but deep inside he probably admitted that the good doctor was right about a thing or two.

    Bob
     
  16. T'Girl

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    Spock gave as good as he got, he hardly sat on his hands when it came to the exchange of insults.



    :)
     
  17. Silvercrest

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    Well, we never heard about him going to Starfleet H.R. to report harassment.
     
  18. Armored Saint

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    So, is your Spockypoucky is racist? No? So, Bonesy isn't racist toward your Spockypoucky.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    "Spockypoucky" :guffaw:
     
  20. Dennis

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    I miss Samuel T. Cogley - he could tell the Nichols/King story like nobody's business. :lol: