The Prophets vs Q Continuum

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by Quantum_Q, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Captain Captain

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    I hate that Starfleet let Sisko play messiah and all that. It seems like an incredible indulgence.

    Also I would have hated to have served under him given his feelings that these phantoms that a bunch of backward yokels think are their gods have given him some glorious purpose-that would make me a Starfleet ensign, lieutenant or otherwise feel very uneasy. I mean what if the "prophets" tell Sisko to randomly select one his crewmen as a sacrifice or ask something bizarre. I just wouldn't like that.

    I read somewhere somebody said the federation ought to be kissing their posterior because of the sacrifice of angels-Deus ex machina. I would be as an admiral yay-now lets bomb the wormhole finish off the cardassians and remaining dominion forces and forget about it. Also I wouldn't want my destiny, much less the destinies of 900 billion people put in the hands of a bunch of inscrutable, powerful beings who more than likely don't have my or the federation's best interest at heart.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    What we come to find out about Sisko, and his own lineage, indicates that the Prophets would not bother beyond that. If it didn't threaten Bajor or one of their own, then I don't see them becoming involved.

    Also, if Sisko's visions led him to sacrifice, then it's a problem. But, as it is, him serving in a nominally ceremonial position with the Bajorans only starts to become an issue towards the end of the war. Starfleet wouldn't worry about it, religious freedom and all that.
     
  3. Voth commando1

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    I wouldn't want serve under a man whose loyalties lie to a bunch of inscrutable beings who by their very nature can not comprehend my values.
     
  4. fireproof78

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    If it doesn't impune his ability to execute his duties, I don't see an issue. But, if I were Starfleet, I would have put him before a review board when he advised Bajor not to join the Federation.
     
  5. Spot261

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    The thing is he hardly showed any loyalty to them until very late on, up till that point he went along with the notion to aid relations with the Bajorans and learn about the wormhole aliens. Even that was done reluctantly for the most part.
     
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  6. publiusr

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    I wonder if the Pah Wraiiths could have stabilized the Barzan wormhole--where Empok Nor should have been towed to had Dukat survived.
     
  7. Voth commando1

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    Speaking of the prophets and pagh wraiths being mortal I wonder how the bajorans would react if they were all killed?
     
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    Janeway said to B'lanna in Barge of the Dead she wouldn't tolerate sacrifice to a god. So I imagine there are certain religious practices the federation would not condone or tolerate.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    As I said, and Janeway's point, is that the personal practice cannot harm self or others. Other than that, it was treated as a fairly private affair. Which, goes back to Sisko, were his fairly ceremonious role was not interfering with his Starfleet duties, which Starfleet didn't have a problem with. Kind of like how Admiral Morrow didn't believe in the Vulcan mysticism in Star Trek 3, but was more concerned about Kirk's choices and how they impacted his career.
     
  10. Spot261

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    My take is that Sisko was allowed to go along with the whole Emissary thing largely as a fop to the Bajorans. It was diplomatically very convenient that they idolised the federation's representative to such an extent. He actually demonstrated very little genuine loyalty to the prophets or even the idea of them until the very end, simply made a show of playing the part and quite reluctantly too. Having him in place doing that seemed to smooth and cement relations significantly.
     
  11. Bad Thoughts

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    In Accession, in season 4, Sisko chose to take the title of Emissary from Akora by appealing to the Prophets. That's far more than going along or only grudgingly accepting the role.
     
  12. Spot261

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    But it is in the federation's interest, which is my point.
     
  13. Voth commando1

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    Let's see some of the less savory things the prophets did-mind raped Sarah Sisko to get Ben born rather frightening.

    Completely redesigned the Nagus personality in Prophet Motive.

    Can possess sentient life at will.

    Any beings that can manipulate time as they do, completely change people's dispositions and personalities, possess people for very concrete ends.

    Seems like a bunch of beings that need to be avoided, death with a "quiet manner", or treaty deferentially. Only less so than say Q or the Organians.

    If they can do these things then the Federation needs a concrete strategy to deal with him.

    Really given how many super advanced beings/races the federation runs into they need a concrete policy for negotiating with them.
     
  14. publiusr

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    The Supreme Being from TIME BANDITS, then Q