The Plan - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 14, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    14.4%
  2. Above Average

    35.9%
  3. Average

    31.4%
  4. Below Average

    13.7%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. Kelso

    Kelso Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ^ Her Cylon-aware persona was obviously triggered by the elephant.

    I'm disappointed that there was no mention of the Olympic Carrier and very little mention of the farms or Cylon re-population of the colonies. I was hoping to see more of what the Cylons were up to behind the scenes. Also, the Shelley Godfrey disguise/wig was ridiculous. She should have just spaced herself.

    I did like that Cavill's Cylon agents all disappointed him with their love for humanity and inability to carry out their assignments (except Doral). Also, I loved that the great and mysterious "PLAN!" was a clusterfuck and that the evil mastermind behind the entire thing was essentially a child with a severe need to be loved/admired by his parents. I wonder if that little boy called "John" ever existed in the first place.
     
  2. Agent Richard07

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    Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. I was wondering what he did with the body.

    As for Boomer, I don't think she ever knew she was a cylon. It did feel a bit like they retconned her character, but the truth is we just never saw the sleeper agent part of her come alive to this extent. It's all part of the movie's cylon perspective.

    And about The Plan... It's funny how we're finding out that Cavil and the cylons didn't have one either. Those cylon meetings were probably mirroring what went on in the writers' room.
     
  3. vampgrrl

    vampgrrl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    :guffaw:His jacket was burgundy...this is teal.
     
  4. Lindley

    Lindley Moderator with a Soul Moderator

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    I dunno, I think my favorite line was:
    "His jacket was burgundy. This is teal."

    EDIT: Great minds....
     
  5. Agent Richard07

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    The guy was a snazzy dresser.
     
  6. vampgrrl

    vampgrrl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The Cylons needed to die if for no other reason than Leisure Suit Larry.
     
  7. Candlelight

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    Battlestar Yashunman?
     
  8. Hunter X

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    I thought the explanation for how Boomer worked goes perfectly with "Water." In that episode, we see her wake-up soaking wet, and through the episode it's clear that she was up to no good, albeit unconsciously. I sometimes wondered if she basically slept-walked through planting the bombs in the water tank or had moments when she became aware of her true self. This answered that. I took Cavil taking the elephant away in their last scene as him giving her up to her sleeper program. She chose her fate and the original Cylon part was gone. All that was left was the human/sleeper program, which had a lot of trouble adapting to Cylon culture once she downloaded.

    I think it was the best Battlestar "episode" in a good long while. The plot was iffy, I agree with most posters there, and there were some odd omissions. I, too, wondered where Tory was and why they didn't include a story about the Olympic Carrier. I wondered why they didn't show Ellen being integrated back into the fleet and if Cavil had a reason for doing so. I thought it would've been better if we saw Three/D'eanna. It also succumbed to feeling like a clip show at times.

    But the theme of the whole thing was just amazing: "Love lasts beyond death." It was also very tightly focused on this, and brought a whole lot of themes from the series to light. We see Cavil's plan of hatred fall apart again and again in the face of love. Those Cylons just can't stop letting love get in the way of their plans, from Fleet-Simon to Boomer to Shelly Godfrey to Leoben to Caprica Cavil to the Final Five. Every single plot thread was about this, every single one was a love story, mostly ending in tragedy, because of the one Cylon who refused to give into this. Cavil was the only one who rejected love and a chance at redemption, during in his scenes with the boy.

    Ironically enough, Cavil's horrific plan is also fueled by a need to be loved. Everyone else found redemption by giving it. He could only take, and threw a tantrum when he couldn't get it. He never figured out that to get it he also had to give it.

    The plot of this movie isn't the point, and I understand how people could be disappointed in it if all they're focused on is a check list of events the story is supposed to hit. Instead, it's more of a series of interconnected short stories about different Cylons and how love ruins and saves them.
     
  9. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    Hmmm.... it does improve with repeat viewings.
    I was surprised to see a very brief shot of Xena-three, so I'm satisfied with that I guess.

    The Plan actually makes me want to see more of Caprica... maybe that was the intention? The BSG verse is so large... all those colonies we actually saw wiped out was kind of fascinating.

    I hope Caprica touches on all twelve of the colonies... and it will be interesting to see if
    Daniel Greystone ends up being the "lost" seventh Cylon model
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  10. Ayelbourne

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    During her sex scene, all I could think of was "And Olmos is tapping that? Lucky bastard!" :lol:


    Did anyone catch on to the fact, that the elephant that Cavil used as a trigger for Boomer, was the same one that stood on the table in her apartment in Downloaded?
     
  11. Lindley

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    Watching it again, I suspect a body double in that scene.
     
  12. Agent Richard07

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    ^ And here I was imagining Olmos directing his wife through that.
     
  13. FreezeC77

    FreezeC77 Commodore Commodore

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    Who knows maybe he was thinking "That's right everyone... Check that out. I'm 62 and that's my wife" :techman:

    It's definitely not as bad nor near as creepy as say Asia Argento's father (Dario) directing a movie that had her with a nude scene when she was 18.
     
  14. TheGodBen

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    I just found it odd that it took her months to accept she was a Cylon after she was resurrected in Downloaded, but whenever she is "activated" in The Plan she is willing to carry out her orders like a good Cylon. It struck me as a little odd.

    I remembered something about wooden elephants on Caprica but I couldn't remember if they were in Boomer's apartment or in Kara's.

    One other complaint, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was a little upset by the score. I realise that Bear reused a lot of old tracks from the first two seasons (and some of Richard Gibb's tracks from the miniseries) to help The Plan fit into that timeline, but as someone intimately acquainted with the music from BSG it sounded a bit repetitive to me. It particularly stood out when Something Dark is Coming started playing; I thought it was going to build into an epic scene but instead it just faded away before it reached the good part. The originally composed music was excellent though, I loved the stuff he scored for the apocalypse scenes. :techman:
     
  15. ncc74302

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    I almost wonder if a concession or deal was made for the score to The Plan due to the epic (and expensive) nature of Daybreak (and season 4's score as a whole) to skimp budgetarily on the score. I don't know, I'm probably grasping at straws here, but I do know Bear went all out with Daybreak, and here there was a much smaller ensemble and much smaller score in general.

    I personally would much rather have seen a totally out of the park, kick ass score with full orchestra, but maybe that wasn't appropriate here.

    In all honesty, I've been good and I have not seen it yet. I'm waiting to legitimately watch it.
     
  16. kipron

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    The production itself was quite impressive especially for a TV movie. Nice camera work and editing, nice direction and wife on the part of Olmos. Even the smallest guest roles were generally well acted. Lots of cool little references back to S1/2.

    But still I'm gonna say Average, and here's why:

    Cavil's Plan, which is supposed to underpin the whole series, is ridiculously convoluted and self-defeating. He's supposedly trying to destroy the fleet (not very effectively), and at the same time he wants to watch in glee as the FF suffer a human life until they beg for his forgiveness. The opposition of these two goals doesn't make sense, even for someone driven by petulant emotions.

    Moreover, I'm not convinced that someone who hates himself and humanity so much, would be so willing to play the role of a petulant human, AND willingly engage in the human trait of deceit. If he hates being what he is, why does he stick around in a place where he's constantly reminded of it? Seems like a better (and more believable) path for Cavil would've been complete ambivalence towards humanity, to go off into the stars and evolve into something else..

    Also, there are simply more elegant plans out there. The idea that Cavil was looking for Earth all along, that the apocalypse was just a rouse to get humanity to fulfill the prophecy and find Earth..now THAT is a Plan. And until they said otherwise, it still could've been. :p

    There were other little niggles too. They go to the trouble of working in the elephants from Downloaded, which is a really neat little link. But at the same time they didn't work that in to Gaeta's handshake in KLG?! We still don't know what it was that he handed to Boomer just before she shot Adama..I thought they were going to reveal that he gave her an elephant or something. :lol:

    imho, it just goes to show that sometimes things are better left a mystery. in this case because the explanations they came up with, are sometimes a bit too mundane and don't really explain EVERYTHING anyway. and so the few things still don't quite track, stand out a bit more..

    Finally, Shelley Godfrey will always be a manifestation of HeadSix. At least to me.

    All that said, we *did* find out who RealSix met on Caprica. That's something. :techman:
     
  17. flux_29

    flux_29 Commodore Commodore

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    Does anyone know when the plan is out on dvd in the uk/europe?
     
  18. DevilEyes

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    In other words, you vote that it's average because the explanations we got were not those you wanted?
     
  19. vampgrrl

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    I think Cavil is like a child...he doesn't understand humanity at all. He's a child with a temper that happens to have nuclear weapons.

    Or worse, like an immature child who is highly intelligent...but has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old. And as far as I know he was never mistreated by humans assuming the Cavil mind was never taken from a non human body.
     
  20. Checkmate

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    That's exactly what it is.

    His main complaint in the last season of the show was that all his hatred was focused on the fact that the Final Five made him in the image of an old, used-up man. When instead he wanted to be a giant robot of awesomness with superpowers like x-ray vision and darkmatter-olfactory senses.
     

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