The Plan - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 14, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    14.4%
  2. Above Average

    35.9%
  3. Average

    31.4%
  4. Below Average

    13.7%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. Candlelight

    Candlelight Admiral Admiral

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    Well I enjoyed it, but it was a fairly average outing. I left it too late to watch last night and ended up missing the last twenty minutes so will watch tonight. But to what I saw:

    The attack on the colonies was good, but again way too brief. The one sequence I've been dying to see since the show started was the battle in Virgon's orbit and the loss of the Atlantia, etc. Instead we end up seeing three Valkyries (granted, we finally get a decent shot of them) in Picon orbit and they don't even get blown up! The attack on the colonies was muted, as the mini series implied they nuked a fair few of the cities but on the ground it was quite clear they were mainly intact. Even quite a few SAR raptors were operating on Picon.

    The rest of it was a bit of a 'spot the episode reference'. The movie is clearly aimed at the fan first and joe public second. Flash forwards to episodes as far ahead as Sometimes a Great Notion (and even the inclusion of the Cylon Colony from Daybreak) is a bit of a spoiler don't you think...?

    I was hoping to hear WHY they were chasing them every 33 minutes, and why specifically the Olympic Carrier - maybe they could've devoted that story to good-Simon instead of the really dumb Cybele story - the ship makes a prominent appearance in The Passage so naturally it wouldn't be destroyed.

    Shelley Godfrey's story was silly. They didn't need to show how she escaped - how did prostitute-Six escape the guards? - but it makes sense they all died one by one. It does beg the question that Godfrey-Six didn't give away the fleets co-ordinates, given the Cylons didn't appear again until Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down, although in most likelyhood Adama jumped the fleet just in case.

    The first time we see Leoben listening to the radio and hearing Starbuck on the wireless; what episode is that from? Cos it sounded like Act of Contrition (Starbuck teaching the nuggets) but that takes place after Water, which was where that part of the story was set.

    Mods, are posting images of the story "embargoed" until October 27?
     
  2. DevilEyes

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    I loved the Shelley explanation, and the fact that is was so mundane (and also enjoyed the fact that I was right, since I always believed and argued on the Skiffy board that she was just another Cylon agent.) I felt so relieved that we were not subjected to any of the Deus-ex-machina (literally ;) ) "angels" crap again. :rommie: And of course, it wouldn't have made any sense, since Head Six has never, to the best of out knowledge, became corporeal and visible to everyone - so why would she had done it just that one time and never again?
     
  3. Iasius

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    Overall I liked it, mostly because it was nice to see more BSG. There were some nice character pieces in there, but on the whole it doesn't really add anything new to the saga.
    I guess I'll watch it again sometime this week (probably weekend) and I may have more comments.


    I really think this was solely intended for fans of the show. If you haven't seen the show, you won't really understand much if anything of what is going on.


    (Now if amazon.de et al would just get around to allowing me to order the DVDs ...)
     
  4. DevilEyes

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    That can't be the case, since we definitely saw multiple Ones in the New Caprica arc and the rest of season 3. Besides, one individual Cylon couldn't box all the other copies of his model, since they would far outnumber and outvote him. But it's clear that Fleet Cavil won the intra-model argument and had Caprica Cavil boxed, because all the other Ones we see in S3 and S4 seem to agree with Fleet Cavil.

    It also seems that the main One we see in S4 - the one involved with Boomer and arguing with Ellen - is probably Fleet Cavil.
     
  5. trekkier

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    Where are people seeing this?
     
  6. ThunderAeroI

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    We "Arn't".

    So say we all.
     
  7. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's a bit confusing, but if you know where to look, there's a torrent of options out there. :shifty:
     
  8. Yoda

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    Gave it an Above Average.

    They should've called it "A Tale of Two Cavils"

    It did feel a bit clipshowy, but then again maybe that would be less unwelcome had I not recently rewatched the first three seasons. It's all very fresh in my mind.

    I think it did a good enough job of tying in the cylon half, though I think I would've preferred had they gone back farther before the fall. The actual insertion of the final five into the colonies would've been welcome. Also I'm surprised that they went with the "it's all happenstance" route with the final five surviving the initial attack and ending up on Galactica.
     
  9. Candlelight

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    Well I blew myself up in my Viper whilst inside a gas giant, found myself watching The Plan then came back six hours later.

    Don't know how the others are doing it.
     
  10. Agent Richard07

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    I just rewatched the ending. It does seem like it was only Caprica Cavil who was boxed. Still, I was and still am under the impression that there was only one Cavil by the end of the series. It certainly looked that way and makes sense given his power hungry ego. Maybe what happened to Caprica Cavil set a precedent. How would one Cavil round up the rest? The same way all the Threes were rounded up I suppose. Hopefully I'll get a better look at all this when I rewatch the entire show again at some point.
     
  11. DevilEyes

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    Number Three's entire line was boxed, and that was because the other models voted to have her boxed.

    One Cavil could not have boxed the others, unless the other models agreed, and he voted against the others of his model. And it certainly did not happen at least before the Cylon Civil War, because that was the first time an individual Cylon voted differently than the rest of their model (Boomer vs the rest of the Eights).
     
  12. Agent Richard07

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    ^ Given what we've seen the Cavil model do, I don't have a hard time believing that one of them can get pretty crafty and manage to box the rest of the line.
     
  13. Hartzilla2007

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    We're assuming that after the Resurection Hub was destroyed he didn't just have the centurions kill the other Cavils.
     
  14. TheGodBen

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    Well I watched it on my TV, I imagine many others might have done the same, although some may have watched it on computer monitors, and a small few have probably seen it on their wall by use of a projector.


    I voted Above Average, although I might have voted average had Fleet Cavil not stabbed that annoying kid towards the end. I agree with most people, the opening showing the attacks on the colonies was excellent, but the rest of the episode felt a bit like a fanwankish clip-show. I would have been okay with that if they had come up with a clever way of tying together all the Cylon actions in the first 2 seasons into a cohesive plan, which is what I was hoping for given the title, but the whole thing is just as convoluted as it seemed from the human point of view.

    - I wasn't a fan of the story of the resistance on Caprica, it had its moments but it didn't bring much new to the table.

    - I'm of two minds about Boomer. On the one hand, this is probably the only way to explain her actions in the first season, but seeing her talking to Cavil and knowing that she's a Cylon before being resurrected felt a bit off. She accepted that she was a Cylon agent very quickly when she saw the elephant, but after resurrection it took her months to accept that she's a Cylon?

    - I would have liked more Doral. I think I understand why he blew himself up, because he was already known to the humans, so was Adama his target?

    - I liked the story of Fleet Simon and thought his suicide was very emotional, but I didn't like the fact that they created the character of his wife and shoe-horned her in as one of Tyrol's friends.

    - Shelly Godfrey, I don't have much to say about her story, it is pretty much what you would expect. But what happened to prostitute Six? :confused:

    - Dean Stockwell is great to watch. He could play John Major in a movie and manage to make him interesting and charismatic.

    There was no moment where I thought to myself "Aha! It all makes sense now!" which is a pity as I was hoping there might be. It has its moments and some of them are quite powerful, but it as a whole it wasn't the knock-out that it probably could never have been.

    Best line: They call this a suicide vest, but I think that undersells all the homicide that goes along with it, don't you?
     
  15. Candlelight

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    Nah, I think the best one was Prostitute-Six:
    Boomer jettisoned all the water then she personally found loads more water...

    Just the way she says it. Y'know, half drunk and half naked.
     
  16. Candlelight

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    Oh and can someone tell me what was the thing with Sauron's Eye on the Colony?
     
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  18. TheGodBen

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    There was dialogue during that scene? ;)
     
  19. Candlelight

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    The posters in SFF are burning...
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  20. DevilEyes

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    I'm not sure what you're saying here... I was confused by the Boomer thing as well, at first, and I wondered if we're supposed to think that she knew she was a Cylon. Which would have meant that I would have to spit on The Plan, Jane Espenson and Ron Moore for the biggest, least necessary and most absurd retcon and character assassination of the show - not to mention that it all wouldn't have made any sense at all, because in that case, she wouldn't have been a sleeper agent at all! :rolleyes:

    Then I noticed the toy elephant thingy and what Cavil was doing with it, and paid more attention to her behavior... And the only way it can all make sense is if, as it seems to me, we're supposed to think that Boomer had some sort of split personality, one who believed she was human, and one who knew she was a Cylon, and the former had no idea what the latter was doing. And the elephant seems to be some sort of device which allowed her 'aware' state to be triggered (and finished). The camera was constantly focusing on the elephant, and Cavil was holding it - or putting it in her arms - whenever he had his conversations with her. In the water scene, she seemed completely baffled by finding herself there (just as she actually was in season 1), right after Cavil left. And in their final conversation, when she was in the brig, it looked like she stopped recognizing him the moment he took the elephant away, when she said "I don't need a priest".

    Or, maybe none of this is true, and I'm just giving the writers too much credit and making sense of things, when they're actually morons who have just ignored any continuity and devalued the entire season 1 and Boomer's story. :cardie: