The Plan - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 14, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    14.4%
  2. Above Average

    35.9%
  3. Average

    31.4%
  4. Below Average

    13.7%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. ialfan

    ialfan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I voted above average. My biggest disappointment was the lack of Number Three. They stole a shot of her from I'm thinking The Eye of Jupiter along with a mention of D'Anna Biers being in the fleet but they could've included a scene with her and Cavil set around the time of downloaded as well as incorporating the Downloaded deleted scenes revolving around her plot to steal Hera. Maybe toss in a scene with Cavil and Gina as well. Then I'd feel like the story was more complete.

    But it was a very enjoyable (probable) last look at the BSGverse save for Caprica.
     
  2. vampgrrl

    vampgrrl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm hoping its only the end of the beginning of the BSG_verse. It definitely made me want to see more about Caprica and life in the colonies.
     
  3. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    After a year and a half wait, I finally saw The Plan. As I was watching, I'd say my opinion shifted around constantly between above average, average and below average. Parts of it were very well done and other parts, not so much. And on the whole, it came off almost like a clip show. I think I'm going to settle on "average". That's average for BSG and about a C+.

    Some minor but interesting details from the beginning...

    - I got a kick out of how they worked the planet Caprica into the Universal Pictures opening splash.

    - Dean Stockwell should have gotten top billing, not second billing after Edward James Olmos.

    - It was nice to see a little more of the colonies just hours before the attack eventhough we didn't get much. Like vampgrrl, this has me looking forward to Caprica even more.

    - The attack itself was pretty awsome and much better than what we got with the 2003 mini series. There was a little more chaos and destruction with some relief efforts underway.

    - I didn't know that the basestars had two halves tha could swivel, nor did I know that they could enter an atmosphere.

    The meat...

    - The Plan doesn't work as a standalone movie. You had to have seen the series all the way through and you have to be familiar with a lot of the details in order to truely appreciate this movie, otherwise you'll end up a bit lost and confused in places.

    - As I said, this felt like a clip show. Too many scenes were recycled from the series. Some of them I accepted as necessary, but still, sometimes it felt like I was overloaded with them. I was however impressed that they redid some familiar moments, but from a Cylon perspective.

    - Cavil was trying to teach the Final Five a lesson, but this wasn't done well.

    - They replayed the Shelly Godfrey arc from the cylon perspective and I loved it. I loved getting a whole new take on what happened. When "Six Degrees of Separation" aired, most of us thought that the cylons were trying to out Baltar so that they could vindicate him and use him. Little did we know that there were two sides at work, one being the cylons who were in fact trying to out him and the angel (Head Six) who simply stood by his side. Head Six didn't save him by the way. The cylons screwed up, and I'll get to that later.

    - One arc that I liked, which wasn't in the series, was about Simon and his wife and stepchild. It was interesting to see what happened when a Simon model genuinely fell for a human along with the what became of that. Fun Fact: Simon's wife was played by Olmos' wife.

    - Another arc, which again wasn't in the series involved a boy who was hanging around Cavil in the fleet. I was wondering what would become of him and all I'll say is that it was pretty sad and jolted me a bit.

    - Cavil's evolution throughout the movie was vague, but I did like how it ended. By the way, I was wondering for a while now if the Cavil we saw in season 4 was the only one and it looks like he was. The Cavils had a change of heart and so one of them boxed the rest.

    - Now for the most important part... The Plan itself. I still don't know what it is. :lol: All I got was that Cavil is mean and sadistic and wants to kill what's left of humanity. In order to do that, he concocted one scheme after another (Blow up the water tanks... Out Baltar... Kill Adama... Blow up a ship...) and each of them failed. In the end, the impression I got was that something deep down was holding him back which is why he couldn't succeed. There was no clear evidence of "God" or the angels at work here. The writer could have gone that route, but didn't which is why I think it was Cavil unknowingly sabotaging himself by rendering his grand Plan into a series of half-baked, poorly executed tasks.

    More details...

    - There is a lot of nudity in the form of bare breasts. They couldn't air this thing on TV without significant cuts. There is also a sex scene culminating in an orgasm and Six prancing around in her underwear. In fact, I'd say that this one movie has about as much sex, nudity and suggestive material than the entire show combined, at least it seemed that way, so let the bitching and moaning and complaining begin.

    - Surprisingly, I didn't miss Lucy Lawless. The movie could have used her, but it worked without her. Only a few cylons were key players anyway. The rest were reduced to cameos.

    - I really liked the closing music. I can't wait to get it when it's released.

    - It doesn't seem likely that we'll get more BSG movies like these, but despite my problems with this one, I wouldn't mind seeing more with one possibly dealing with the Final Five creating the Significant Eight. You wouldn't need the Galactica sets for that.

    - My cable bills are paid and I'll buy the DVD, so don't lynch me for watching this early. :p

    That about does it.
     
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  4. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    Great first half, slow second half IMHO.

    It really lacked number three. Why couldn't she make an appearance? Why wasn't she involved with the story?
     
  5. Checkmate

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    I think the rationale is that this story focused on the original plan -- Cavil's plan. It's the one that lead to the annihilation of the colonies and started everything.

    His plan was supposed to have ended as soon as it began. Everything that occurred after the nuking of the colonies was improvised (as he made abundantly clear) and every day that passed, his plan became more and more convoluted. By the time this movie ends, he finally surrenders and gives up on his original plan and begins concocting a new one beginning with the boxing of his own model which, in his eyes, are completely corrupt and beyond redemption.

    That said, Three's story was completely independent of Cavil's. It wasn't a part of "The Plan" at all, but a repercussion of "The Plan" failing. So while it may have been one of the things I wanted to know more about, none of that was directly relevant to what this story was trying to explain.

    It's also why the series seemed to be so aimless for a good stretch of its run. Because it effectively was. Cavil was forced to make it up as he went -- he hadn't planned on a contingency for the initial genocidal assault to fail and the first half of the series was him trying to bring his plan back on course.
     
  6. EstoniaKat

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    Exactly. Although there were some cool moments in the first 20 minutes, it really didn't add much to what I already knew. The fact that only the Cylons and Adama had really any new scenes really made it boring for me in a lot of places.

    The split between the Cavils was a little more articulated, but the series kind of hinted in it.

    I thought it was the weakest of the minis.

    Maybe I'll have more thoughts once the DVD arrives.
     
  7. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

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    My reaction was the inverse of what a lot of folks are saying – I thought the first 20 minutes felt disjointed, but the film improved quite a bit once it settled into the more comfortable "intimate character moments" style.

    It's probably not wise to post screencaps at this juncture, considering the...questionable...legality of the copies out there, but if anyone takes a look at the cities of Libra and Virgon, Pierre Drolet recycled elements from the Romulan captial in Nemesis for some of the architecture. Notably, the staircases and the whole Romulan Senate building, which can be seen in the lower left-hand frame after the Hybrid says "The forests of Virgon are burning." Anything to save time on a project. :lol:

    ETA: It looks like portions of the central "ring" with those angular Romulan ornaments made it into the upper left of frame as well.
     
  8. EstoniaKat

    EstoniaKat Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I'll have to go back and rewatch. I didn't catch that. I didn't think that the voiceover matched the scenes, neccesarily, that were being showed. But I was too busy jotting down hybrid notes:

    And I also wrote down that the 12 Colonies were around 3 different stars, which I'm glad they included. Obviously, they've done some work on that to the new Caprica series.
     
  9. Tom

    Tom Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I do have caps i will try to sneak them in later..
     
  10. iguana_tonante

    iguana_tonante Admiral Admiral

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    Love how the descriptions fit the symbols of the 12 zodiac signs (well, except maybe for Caprica, but it was already stated that it was the capital world, so it's not difficult to imagine it was the most urbanized, too).

    Are the stars part of a triple system or are the 3 different stars?
     
  11. vampgrrl

    vampgrrl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The stars thing again makes me wonder...how long have the Colonies had FTL?

    Since Kobol (if so their civilization looks stagnant) or I wonder if they lost contact with each other as they rebuilt their technology since Kobol?
     
  12. Tom

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    Another thing I noticed is the yield of the nukes seem rather low. We see that each missle is a cluster bomb that spreads about 20 smaller projectiles over an area. When you look at the Caprica City image a few building are burning but most are still standing, also the radiation does not seem to slow down the humans and skinjobs on Caprica or do we see any evidence like hair falling out, skin legions, etc.. One of our standard ICBMs would completly flattened Caprica City and more than 20 of our nukes would have created so much radiation that now one would survive a in a large radius of due to the accumulated radiation.
     
  13. Lindley

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    Nah. There isn't a single relevant scene in the thing that couldn't have been filmed both with and without visible nudity. It isn't key to any part of the film.
     
  14. EstoniaKat

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    The hybrid didn't specify. But the phyics of all those world being inhabitable with three stars in the same system is unworkable. I think we'll know for sure in the Caprica series.


    Yeah, a few kilotons each at most. I guess that makes since, if you originally want to occupy the colonies, like it became clear in Season 2.
    The MIRV sequence was cool, with the fins to slow the platform's rate of descent.

    I had hoped that we should get a chance to see Admiral Nagala and the Atlantia with the rest of the fleet have its final stand. But all we saw was a couple of minor Battlestar types from Adama's second-to-last command lose power. Didn't get to see them blow up, even. And then the CLIP SHOW of the Scorpion shipyards, with the nuke bombardment in the background.
     
  15. vampgrrl

    vampgrrl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well that probably had more to do with the FX budget most of which was spent on the opening 20 minutes of the bombardment.
     
  16. The Evil Dead

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    What happened to Slut Six? I wonder if she made it to New Caprica where she just rejoined her Cylon friends?

    There seemed to be a hell of a lot of Cylon Basestars, far more than we ever saw destroyed during the course of the series...Was the Cylon Civil War a much larger conflict than we saw?

    The biggest missed opportunity for me was a scene between Cavil and Gina. I'd liked to have seen him plant the idea in her head of detonating the nuke, or that he wanted to try to set it off on/near Galactica or something.
     
  17. Harvey

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    I was under the impression that Gina detonated the nuke because she wanted to commit suicide, not because of any other definite Cylon goals. I don't think everything has to be linked to Cavil's leadership.
     
  18. The Evil Dead

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    Well, I was under the same impression about Boomer's assassination attempt. :P

    I just think a scene between Cavil and Gina would've been interesting, whether it had anything to do with the nuke or not.
     
  19. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    Good points, but I still find myself wondering how Three was left out of Cavil's plan... I suppose I could just go back and rewatch everything... and I probably will, but was there something independent about Xena the Warrior Cylon's agenda?

    It just seems sloppy to exclude her. At one point, when Cavil held a meeting on Galactica "The Plan" flyer, didn't he say he was expecting a three present?

    Is that Hollywood scripting for "we didn't want to hire her" or "she wasn't available for filming?"
     
  20. Tom

    Tom Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It was more like she was Too Expensive to include, this was a huge reason she was not in more episodes because they had to pay her more than alot of the others. In Hindsight, they should have got some one more inexpensive for here role.
     

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