The Plan - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 14, 2009.


Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

  2. Above Average

  3. Average

  4. Below Average

  5. Poor

  1. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    QC, IL, USA
    I think it's supposed to imply that the Centurions should be grateful that the Skinjobs were finally seeking vengeance against the humans who had previously enslaved them.
  2. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 3, 2002
    Exactly. That's what the Centurions should be grateful for; the humanoid models are ensuring that they'll never be abused by the big scary human menace again, but the poor widdle centurions are just too telencephalicly inhibited to appreciate it. And it follows off Leoban's crack about it being a long time coming because they're finally getting payback for the enslavement of the mechanical cylons.

    I mean, come on. Six is looking right at the Centurion when she says her line, and never takes her eyes off it. Same with Doral and Eight, for that matter.
  3. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 20, 2007
    You know what--you're right. I got my wires all crossed and somehow thought you thought the Cylons were referring to installing the Telencephalic inhibitors in the chrome toasters. I have no idea how I thought that was the issue. Never mind.
  4. Crusher Disciple

    Crusher Disciple Admiral Admiral

    Dec 4, 2001
    Crusher Disciple
    Eh, it was a big let down for me. It's too short, and didn't really give as much backstory as I'd liked.
  5. AntonyF

    AntonyF Official Tahmoh Taster Administrator

    Nov 9, 2000
    London, UK
    My friend got confused by this too, but I took it as you've written -- that they mean Centurions.

    Anyway, on with my main post...

    At 12 pages, I've read very little of this thread to be honest so will jump straight in with opinions (but hey, it is the Trek BBS!)

    I really enjoyed this. Amazing? No. Very good? Yes.

    It really did retrocon the first couple of years very well. I loved the sowing of One back to the beginning, and Sam too. It worked very well.

    It was a lot like the B5 movies. In my heart watching it, I knew it was a low budget affair and that most of the main cast weren't there. But as with the B5 movies, it's great to live in the universe again and I don't mind as long as any BSG movies are given in that framework: filler in the gaps in BSG lore.

    It is also like B5 in that the main story is done. It's now forever done. Whatever story comes up won't be as dramatic as the main story.

    It's certainly the most I've been entertained by old clips, that's for sure! But I do look forward to a completely original BSG universe creation. I hope they do one.
  6. ncc74302

    ncc74302 Captain Captain

    Jan 3, 2003
    Charleston, SC
    Too short? Seriously? It's 2 hours long, it's a standard movie length... longer than Razor was if I recall.
  7. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001

    Indeed. The only BSG that's longer than The Plan is the mini series, and possibly the DVD version of Daybreak.
  8. WeAreTheBorg

    WeAreTheBorg Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 28, 2004
    Sector 001
    Finally saw it... I hadnt felt too motivated for some reason, I guess BSG had sort of left my mind. But I got the DVD today, sat down, and fell in love with the series all over again. I thought it was fantastic.

    Let me get the criticisms out of the way first though.

    It didn't feel like a cohesive movie. There was barely a narrative, it was more of a retrospective meditation on the series with plot elements and character elements fleshed out in the process. I can see the "clip show" concern... but it's definately the best, most compelling and well edited clip show ever made. I also thought it would go further than the end of season 2, but it worked out well in that framework. I just wish there was more behind the scenes of New Caprica and beyond, since that was the time the Cylon "plan" seemed most discombobulated.

    Overall I'm very happy with it. I'm happy the Simon model got some character.... so Simon is the one cylon leading the "love research" agenda. That's interesting.

    The opening scenes of the attacks were breathtaking and we finally got to see some visuals of the other colonies, and explanations of their major features from the hybrid. Loved that.

    I imagined that they would find a use for the "I was wondering when you'd get here" scene with Six, but it was still a thrill to finally see it, even if it was sort of pedestrian.

    I'm happy with the Shelley Godfrey explanation too. I never liked that some people thought she was a supernatural entity. Kara's ending was hard enough to accept, I didn't need another thing like that. Oh and it was cool seeing yet another starkly different Six model. It really cemented the idea that theres a reason we always called her Six and every other model by their assumed names.... she was the one model that never had one set way.

    The tidbits with Leoben were nice. I got chills at the moment they edited in the montage of Starbuck's destiny. It's as if that was the moment it was crystalized in his mind.

    The story between Tyrol and the new knuckledragger was great, too. And she has a nice ass (yay nudity on BSG!)

    And boy, Dean Stockwell is just fantastic. The two Cavil's different paths was a great way to frame this story. It was the one thread holding it all together. If not for that it would probably lose all cohesion.

    Probably forgetting alot. But damn, I give it excellent. And now I have to say goodbye to the show all over again.
  9. Kaijufan

    Kaijufan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 27, 2004
    Amana, Iowa
    I'm pretty sure the Skinjobs are the Cylons that the humans created and went to war with, the final five agreed to give them human bodies/resurrection technology which ended the first Cylon war.

    The current centurions seem to be slaves created by the original Cylons which is kind of ironic.
  10. Guartho

    Guartho Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 28, 2003
    I like how Cavil says he wants to smell dark matter when, in Futurama, dark matter is just Nibblonian poop. Took me right out of the ending though.
  11. omnirad

    omnirad Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 17, 2004
    Sector 001
    The Plan? -The Plan?!?
    The plan was frakked up from the very begining because every single human was supposed to have been wiped out in the initial attack of the colonies. I don't think that was a realistic goal in the first place.
    What really frakked up the mop up operation after the attacks was that pesky human emotion, love.
    Boomer loved the Old Man and bungled the assasination. Simon loved his family and spaced himself instead of blowing up his ship. All the aware Cylons were swayed by their interactions with humans.
    Cavil's plan never had a chance, because the one thing the Cylons were missing, procreation, apparently requires more than artificial insemination, breeding farms, and mythical hybrids. Perpetuation of a sentient species requires LOVE. Because with ressurection capability the Cylons didn't truely love life. They could always just upload again and start over. Death is what gives meaning to life, and without death, they could not love life, or each other.
    It was right there in Simom's suicide note to his wife, "Love outlasts death".

    And that's the moral of the story, I thought it was a good one.
  12. Koinek

    Koinek Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 26, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    Just finished it. Didn't really redeem the series for me but it did remind me how mind-blowingly good it was early on.

    I have to admit I was disappointed that we didn't get to see the attack from other Battlestars and such or that there weren't too many new main characters (besides the engineer and her husband). But I understand considering it was an obviously small-budget production. The green-screen on the explanation of Caprica-6's "contact" was horrible.

    Overall: Meh. Wasn't a waste of time but nothing to write home about either.
  13. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 3, 2002
    Apparently it was a little more blue than that. Katee Sackhoff fills us in.
  14. Ryan Thomas Riddle

    Ryan Thomas Riddle Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 26, 2003
    The Bay Area
    I like what the guy says near the end of the interview. "That's my new facebook status."
  15. MPH

    MPH Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 15, 2001
    United Kingdom of Great Britain
    Just seen this and apart from the opening attack which didn't show enough it was way too long and dragged out. Also that bit where Cavill killed that kid didnt sit right with me sometimes they take things too far.
  16. WeAreTheBorg

    WeAreTheBorg Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 28, 2004
    Sector 001
    How is that taking things too far? That's tame for Battlestar Galactica and also tame for a man responsible for engineering a genocide with nothing but glee.
  17. formerentboy

    formerentboy Cadet Newbie

    Nov 10, 2009
    West End, Vancouver, BC Canada
    It's Vancouver, BC. The downtown peninsula. Doesn't even look altered all that much.

    The first bridge at the mouth of the inlet (False Creek) is the Burrard Street Bridge, the second is the Granville Street Bridge, crossing over Granville Island and the last is the Cambie Bridge. The big white thing by the uppermost bridge is BC Place and the white structure jutting out into the inlet on the opposite side is Canada Place. I'm posting from about three blocks in from the beach.

    The Cylons dropped a nuke on my neighbourhood..... :eek:
  18. Admiral James Kirk

    Admiral James Kirk Writer Admiral

    Feb 5, 2001
    Tucson, AZ
    Just finished watching The Plan and I have one question. How the fuck did an ugly chud like Edward James Olmos score an A+ piece of pussy like Lymari Nadal? Is the man that rich or does he have a dick he can pole vault with?
  19. USS Avenger

    USS Avenger Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 23, 2009
    Saw this last week and decided to put in my two cents. I voted an average, for Galactica this was actually a below average show for me, but in terms of TV and movies in general thats above average. So I settled on average. I was hoping for a bit more on the destruction of the Colonies, battle in Virgon's orbit and the like. I also was hoping that they would explain Godfreys disappearence by showing she was "angel six" manifesting herself. I know thats not a popular opinion, but hey its mine.

    All in all though it was a good episode and it did add to the myhtos a bit. Showing how fleet Cavil was running things on the Cylon side, and how Caprica Cavil demonstrates that the Ones could have come around to accepting humanity. That said I am one of those who beleive in no forgivness for the Cylons, they nuked humanity and killed billions. There is no forgivness for attempted genocide.
  20. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 3, 2002
    Well, the Cylons felt the same way, so what are you going to do? I mean, the humans bred slaves and then forced them to murder each other for sport.