The Plan - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 14, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    14.4%
  2. Above Average

    35.9%
  3. Average

    31.4%
  4. Below Average

    13.7%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    "Epic zoom" is an exaggeration, but they definitely stopped the camera and zoomed in (in that fast, shaky cam way, but still).
     
  2. DevilEyes

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    Having seen EJO in the BSG panet at Dragoncon last year (look it up on Youtube if you don't know what I'm talking about), I'm only surprised that there weren't many more T, A & C shots throughout the movie. :lol:

    It's also well known that Baltar/Six sex scene in the lab in "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" was his idea, it was not in the script. EJO is a dirty old man. :)
     
  3. Corran Horn

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    There's no doubt about it. It was a 'look what we can show!' type thing.
     
  4. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Here's another thing I'm wondering about: the Simon that Giana was married to, his cover story was that he was a medic in the Colonial Fleet. So then, why did he spend all of his time on board that civilian ship as opposed to Galactica?
     
  5. BolianAuthor

    BolianAuthor Writer, Battlestar Urantia Rear Admiral

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    Does anyone know where there might be screencaps up yet? I'm looking for a screencap of Caprica City from above, before the bombs hit.
     
  6. bigdaddy

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    And I'm looking for the crazy cock scene. :lol:
     
  7. DevilEyes

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    Civilians don't need medics? :cardie:
     
  8. BolianAuthor

    BolianAuthor Writer, Battlestar Urantia Rear Admiral

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    That's uh... that's kinda messed up, bro. :)
     
  9. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    The point I was trying to make was that if he were supposed to be a military medic, shouldn't he have had to report to Galactica at some point? I supposed he could have, and it just wasn't shown, but I still feel it was an oversight.

    Hell, we never even saw him in uniform.
     
  10. PhasersOnStun

    PhasersOnStun Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    He wasn't supposed to be a military doctor. You're mistaking the term "fleet" to mean "military." In the US navy, our "fleet" is just our naval vessels. But in BSG, "fleet" is used in its general definition of "group of aircraft operating together under the same ownership" or "A group of vessels or vehicles." The whole series, they are talking about the "colonial fleet" as the "fleet of the colonial survivors." In fact, considering the only actual warship is the Battlestar Galactica, the colonists do not have a fleet of warships in the naval sense, they simply have a single military escort of a civilian fleet.

    Therefore, Dr. Cottle is the military doctor (he is in the colonial military) but there are numerous "fleet doctors" who are civilian colonial doctors. If you recall, John Hodgman ("I'm a PC...") played a "fleet doctor" in season 4.5, a brain surgeon who removed the bullet from Sam Ander's head.

    So Simon is a doctor who was a civilian doctor in life, who escaped the destruction of the colonies as a member of the Colonial Fleet, and therefore became a "fleet doctor." He was not, however, a member of the Colonial Military.
     
  11. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    In the mini-series, Giana says her husband "serves in the Colonial Fleet on Gemenon." That sounds to me like she's talking about someone in the military.
     
  12. DevilEyes

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    I think she said "is in the Colonial Fleet", not "serves".
     
  13. DarthPipes

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    I'll vote Above Average as I enjoyed The Plan. It was good to see more BSG, even if they reused a lot of clips.

    The Good...

    -The first twenty minutes were amazing, from the battle scenes to the great FX to getting to see more of the various colonies. Definitely a major highlight of The Plan.

    -Dean Stockwell. He was the main character and I'm glad, because he did a great job. Not to mention he got to kiss Grace Park and get in bed with Tricia Helfer...want to know why this guy hasn't retired? ;)

    -Good performances from the various Cylons and I liked the Fleet Simon story.

    -Some great lines, like "They call this a suicide vest, but I think that undersells all the homicide that goes along with it, don't you?" and "His jacket was burgandy. Mine was teal." The movie itself showed a pretty good sense of humor.

    -More of Anders and the resistence. Poor Coach.

    -I liked the Gianna character and I didn't realize she was in the mini-series for ten seconds. Olmos is a lucky bastard.

    The Bad...

    -The movie felt disjointed and slow at times. Not sure how to explain it...felt like it didn't have a drive at times.

    -Leoben was wasted. I found it a disappointment in the final season that we never got a payoff from his storyline with Kara and I guess we'll never get it now.

    -No D'Anna, no explanation about the Olympic Carrier and other things.

    -It's very strange that we didn't see one clip of Roslin. I guess they didn't want to pay Mary McDonnell for the use of her image.

    Other...

    -The nudity surprised me and it was definitely gratitious. But BSG has been known to do controversial things just for the sake of doing them.

    -If this show was anything other than BSG, Cavil killing the boy would have surprised me. Good scene though.

    -Wouldn't it have been cool though if the kid Cavil killed had been Boxey?

    -LOL on whomever pointed out the the clusterfuck confusion of the Cylon plan is comparable to the the BSG writers in meetings.

    -Anyone want to discuss the deleted scenes? The last one in particular, detailing how Sam's forces got cut in half is the most interesting of them all.

    Here's hoping we'll get more BSG on DVD. Looking forward to Caprica.
     
  14. DarthPipes

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    BTW, another line that I loved was when Cavil and Godfrey stop at the airlock and he says "Oh, look, an airlock. How convient."
     
  15. Brent

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    Well, I just watched The Plan tonight, I haven't read the thread yet. I give it an "Average" though. Yeah, it was pretty good, filled in some of the gaps, but nothing we didn't really already know. Very "1" heavy, I was hoping or more. It was good, but I feel there needs to be a Plan 2, heh. Or, at least this should have been 3-4 hours long to give us more. I definitely felt like they were taking the freedom to use nudity now, apparently they want nudity and sex to be part of this story, heh, don't know that it was entirely necessary for the story. I'll give more input once I read the thread, though I'm sure every angle is probably already discussed.
     
  16. David cgc

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    I'm more than willing to discount that, because it just raises so many questions that can never be properly answered. Cavil being captured and then released to give out a trap he "bought" hook line and sinker makes it really stretch credibility that no one decided he was a Cylon Agent (in either sense of the term). There's the question of whether the Cylons really did make pets of the survivors on the Colonies, as a sort of pre-New Caprica, or if they just up and left them to die.

    The real kicker, though, is the fact that somehow, Boomer and Caprica were totally played by one or more of the other lines, and we never hear anything more about it ever. Now, this was either before the vote for a truce, in which case "helping" the resistance was pretty premature, or it was after, in which case someone went against the majority's vote, and that's the sort of behavior that gets your ass boxed. If D'anna could get boxed for being a showboat in "Rapture" and not telling the others how she was going to bluff a landing party onto the Algae Planet, whichever One (and you know it was a One) ordered some Centurions to ignore the orders of the Heroes of the Cylon and, more importantly open fire on them should've been in deep shit. Also, I like the idea that Caprica-Cavil's first contact with the Heros' "new ideas" was when the Centurions stopped firing on the Resistance, and he went to talk to the Six, and he just finds out that the rest of Cylon Civilization (excepting his brothers) had independently reached the same conclusion he had.

    Actually, that does bring up an interesting thought to ponder. Which lines voted for the Truce? We know the Ones were against, and it's all but guaranteed the Sixes and Eights were for, so what's the rest of the breakdown? The Twos would probably vote for anything that would bring up the possibility of more face-time with Starbuck, so let's put them in the "for" column, and the Threes were pretty batshit at the time ("They don't value life like we do *cocks gun*"), so they're a safe "against."

    Which means, for the truce to pass, either the Fours or the Fives (or both) had to vote for it, and later change their minds (or apply a different set of priorities) in the season 4 vote that precipitated the civil war. I'm going to guess the Fours were the swing vote, given what we saw in "The Plan" with Fleet-Simon, and that the Dorals are almost as emotionally stunted as the Cavils are (except that the Dorals' borderline-autism comes out in misplaced wackiness and that creepy robo-stare, as opposed to Cavil's total inability to say anything nice to anyone ever).
     
  17. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, I liked the scene but there's no way in hell Cavil could have maintained his cover. And of course, what Boomer and Six were doing there was confusing too. But it was an interesting look at things.

    Hadn't thought of that but you're right, it would have needed four of the models to agree to make it pass. That would have been the Sixs and Eights, along with Leoben's line. The Threes weren't exactly friendly towards the humans at this time so it could have come from Simon's line.

    Speaking of Simon, it was very nice to see him get some screen time. After The Farm, you hardly ever got any stuff with him.

    A notable omission...we really should have seen the actual truce. The Cylons debating and voting on this.
     
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  18. Ensign_Redshirt

    Ensign_Redshirt Commodore Commodore

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    But then you would have needed Lucy Lawless.

    It is already a major plothole that the D'Anna from "Final Cut" never attended any of Cavil's Cylon meetings on Galactica. Was she delibaretly hiding from the others during all that time or what?
     
  19. BolianAuthor

    BolianAuthor Writer, Battlestar Urantia Rear Admiral

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    Having seen the movie, I can say that I was pretty much blown away by the first twenty minutes... as others have said... everything with the Colonies was beyond spectacular. I also loved how Universal replaced Earth with Caprica in its logo. That was a fun touch.

    But aside from that, I agree that this felt like just a clip show, albeit the best one I've ever seen. But I was still expecting a bit more from nuBSG. Maybe if RDM had written it, it would have been far better, IDK. But as it was, it just left too many questions. There was also one mistake in the movie, which IDK how many others noticed...

    When Cavil is talking to Doral, about the suicide vest, he tells Doral that one of the other Dorals was outed on Ragnar Anchorage. That's not true. It was a Leoben that was found and killed by Adama on Ragnar.

    At least it's not over... the BSG Wiki has it stated by EJO, that there will almost certainly be more BSG productions in the future, and I very much hope so.

    Also, upon examining the aerial view of Caprica City, it looks like the city was inspired by NYC...

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    The basic layout and form of the landmass is reminiscent of Manhattan and Queens/Brooklyn, there are two bridges joining the two areas, on the east side of the island, and there is even a small "in between" island/area, similar to Roosevelt Island. BTW, if anyone has a larger, HD version of this view, I'd love to see it.
     
  20. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yes, you're right. Hadn't thought of that.

    Really wish they would have gotten Lawless for this.