The "original" Ten-Forward

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Unwrapped, Oct 13, 2008.

  1. Brutal Strudel

    Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    :techman::techman:? :wtf:

    Probert just took a not-at-all veiled swipe at the precious and inviolate Star Trek XI. Let him have it!

    (Aside to Mr. Probert: You are, of course, completely right.)
     
  2. Probert

    Probert Starfleet Design Red Shirt

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    Please don't get me wrong... I'm not upset at what you all are saying, in fact every thread I've visited, on this BBS, has been full of helpful critiques and valuable opinions and this one is no exception. I enjoy your insights, intellect, and humor.

    Yes, I totally agree that the visuals are there to support the story; no question. But what gets me is the fact that people are typically put in charge of projects they don't understand. Here's an example: Berman was asked if we (the FX guys) could shoot the Enterprise departing,... not horizontally like we see time after time at the end of each episode,... but angle straight up or veer downward to it's next destination. He said no "because it would confuse the audience". * What ??? * Space is three dimensional... it would be awesome to see an unexpected move like that.

    Let's hope things get better. I'm still working on my own show, FRONTIER, so maybe that will be the real eye-opener for me.

    Andrew-
     
  3. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    Well, Berman was an idiot.

    The spiraling demise of the franchise with Voyager and Enterprise proved that. As he vastly underestimated the audience. VASTLY.

    He wanted "show vanilla" just generic TV he could shovel out and make a dime on. And I say this as someone who LOVES TNG but even I realize how "vanilla" it was at times compared to how it should've been,

    Anyone, ANYONE in charge rather than Berman could've done great things. The guy only should've been running the money and financing of the show, not making creative decisions like that. If he given the creators a bit more of looser leash it'd of been amazing what TNG, Voyager and Enterprise could've become.

    But stories like your are "par for the course" on things I've read on those who've worked with Berman. He was only interested in putting the basest of "product" out there, not caring about quality or creativity. I mean, wasn't he the one who insisted on switching over to "music wallpaper" rather than much bolder music?
     
  4. Herkimer Jitty

    Herkimer Jitty Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Your own show? I'm intrigued. Any other details, or is this Majestic 12/Area 51 levels of secrecy?
     
  5. Unwrapped

    Unwrapped Continuity Spackle Moderator

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    It's the Dilbert Principle at work. ;) Just the other night, we got an email at my workplace from someone in management. We have these uniform T-shirts which were made to commemorate the number of people our business locally served in 2007 (a bit more than 10,000), and we've been wearing them interchangeably with our other work shirts. That's been true for probably a good six months now.

    So this email we got yesterday said that, effectively immediately, we were only allowed to wear these T-shirts one day a week instead of whenever we chose to wear them to work. Their reasoning? T-shirts are "casual" clothes and don't look as "professional" as our other shirts. Even those that are clearly designed as a uniform. I don't really mind personally, but I do think management was bored. :lol:
     
  6. FalTorPan

    FalTorPan Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Check it out.
     
  7. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

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    I said out, dammit!
    OMG, I love you! :lol:

    That is SO good to hear from an insider!
     
  8. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

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    I said out, dammit!
    To the theme of clueless bosses - our head of Engineering is retiring after 30 years. The company president wanted a goodbye poster for him. What did he do? He took the poster we made for the previous president when he was promoted, and marked it up with a few changes. Didn't change the theme or the slogan. So this guy gets a recycled goodbye poster.

    Not only that, the president doesn't understand clutter. The previous poster was chock-full of every single project the departing president had anything to do with. I'd given up trying to make it graphically pleasing, because it became impossible. What did the pres do for the Engineering guy's markup? He ADDED almost TWICE as many elements for me to squeeze in. :wtf:

    It looks like shit!! But he loves it, 'cause everything he asked for is there.
     
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  9. Ryan Thomas Riddle

    Ryan Thomas Riddle Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Looks interesting. Space western with some good 'ole fashioned hard science behind it.
     
  10. Brutal Strudel

    Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    It's the same in public education. My high school is on the verge of a palace coup thanks to the cluster-frak of school reform initiatives that are threatening to gut what little classroom effectiveness we had.
     
  11. TEH BABA

    TEH BABA Commodore Commodore

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    I was thinking I really love the BSG hanger deck really looks huge :) Undead One thing i was critical was screwy promotion system trek has. Why the fuck medical officer like Crusher when more qualified engineering officers could have taken over. Also to complete lack of enlisted or warrant officers in early tng. That's taking Utopianism to far you need a nco corp to operate a military.
     
  12. arch101

    arch101 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ^^^Did I witness above a direct exchange between Mr. Probert and The God Thing? Glad I was here to see this!
     
  13. GodThingFormerly

    GodThingFormerly A Different Kind of Asshole

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    That's nothing. If you want to see some really obsequious blubbering on my part for Mr. Probert's work then just take a look at this thread. :o :D

    TGT
     
  14. Guartho

    Guartho Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Don't be fooled. They're the same guy.