The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by jefferiestubes8, May 14, 2011.

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  1. cbspock

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    Are you talking about the little Enterprise model that was used, with the out of scale detailing????


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  2. Shazam!

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    LOL
     
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    Yes, I had my eyes outfitted with external optical lenses that let me see clearly, called glasses, you might want to invest in some as well.

    And, despite your (our) snarky attitude, I agree with you that a new ship design other than the Excelsior shots might be nice, but I doubt they will happen.
     
  5. Mark_Nguyen

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    Why did the show look so awesome on my TV in the 80s, and it looks so crappy now? Even when I shrink it down to an appropriate size on my monitor, SD video looks far more washed out and blurred than I ever remember it... Was the show really that blurry on an old 20" CRT when I originally watched it?

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    It's funny, I always thought TNG looked quite good back in the day too. I guess HD has spoiled us.
     
  7. trekfan_1

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    As pointed out by a previous poster, it looks like the aspect ratio may vary slightly from episode to episode. If you look at the the caparison shot from Inner Light (when Crusher is examining the collapsed Picard) you will notice Data's hand in the shot where as in the original, it is chopped off.

    Not a big difference mind you but I'm all for this additional content of the picture. As long as it doesnt compramise the director's intent or show any onset footage not meant to be seen, theres no issues.
     
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  8. ModusOperandi

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    But have we heard anything official that definitively states that planets (or any other FX) will be redone in modern CGI?

    The reason I was disappointed the figures weren't CGI (although impressed at the job they did on them in the 80's!) is that I'm looking for definitive proof that CBS is willing to pony up for the cost of enhancing the original show, not just where necessary, but where tasteful and rewarding -- mostly in ship model reuse, planet orbital FX, and planetscape mattes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the remastered Kronos orbital and planetscape shots in the new trailer could be explained as just really good recomposites.

    Now granted, each person's idea of tasteful and rewarding when it comes to new FX is different, but I think they can come to a standard that would satisfy 99% of fans, and maybe even let us introduce a new generation (our kids!) to this show.

    I want some one actually working on the project to confirm *exactly* how far they are willing to go in updating the FX. But I suppose that's the purpose of this sampler pack -- gauge the market and, if the response is strong, maybe more resources can be devoted to the project.
     
  9. trekfan_1

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    No official anouncment but it must be new CGI simply because the planets and other visual effecets such as shields and phaser beams were never shot on film. So theres nothing available to recomposite those effects.
     
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    The planet CG is definitely new, the old version just didn't have the amount of detail we're seeing now. It was a low-res image stretched over a sphere in a computer from 1990 and output in low-res to videotape. Even when the episodes originally aired, they looked like crap. Also, you can see that the continents of the planet are different in the new CG.

    The matte painting was done by hand and photographed on 35mm film, so there's plenty of extra detail to get out of a new comp. Additionally though, it seems like they've added some CG lightning.

    On the subject of the halos around the Enterprise - I like them. It makes the ship blend into the scene better, rather than sitting on top of it, surrounded by matte lines. The more I see of the work they're doing on the recomposites, the more excited I am. "New" model FX, using current technology? It's going to blow a lot of the work in DS9, VOY and ENT out of the water! :)
     
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    Food for thought: TNG-R will probably be the first HD television release to have visual effects done using high-quality model photography combined with modern post-production technology. Not to swell too much with fan pride or anything, but that's a little history-writing and standards-setting right there. And so much cooler than redoing it all with CGI. Any show can have that, but who could afford to actually do large-scale motion control work today?
     
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    Here are comparison shots of the Qo'noS matte painting. As can be seen, the lightning was present in the original episode.

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  13. cbspock

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    I wouldn't call TNG model work, high quality.


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  14. Flake

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    I think the TNG model work is of the highest quality, particularly the ILM shots. TNG got 6 or 7 nominations/wins in the emmys for special visual effects. They will look even better now they are recomposited in HD and far superior than any cheap CGI we could have got.
     
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    Really?? ILM and Greg Jein? They did a lot of the work and they are award winners and top notch in the industry. Better do some research before making such claims.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420478/
     
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    We were all used to crap back then basically. We had nothing to compare 480i to. I definitely recall seeing lines of rez going through FX from STNG.

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    Whew, loving these comparisons. :techman:
     
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    Getting pretty excited. Is it Janurary yet?
     
  19. trekfan_1

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    TNG model work was definitely high quality. Allot of workmanship came into them. And for me, even the best CGI out there doesn't have the same tangible presence that models have. Maybe it's because models are constructed and are real where as CGI has a bit of a plug and play "hollow" feel to them. Don't get me wrong CGI is awesome, has it's place and can do many more things. But for spaceships I prefer model work.
     
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  20. Dick_Valentine

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    Model work of 1987 compared to CGI work of 2011?

    If only we'd got the chance to see how wrong your "cheap" comment is, but ironically CBS were the ones too "cheap" to prove that point ARF ARF!

    Still, the whole model work vs CGI debate you get on here paints this forum in such an old fashioned light.
    I've seen better CGI on youtube done by one guy in his bedroom in his spare time after his day job that looks better than most of the model work on TNG.
    Imagine what a full team of artists doing it as their day job could create?

    Certainly more than 12 stock shots and battle scenes where no ships involved have any movement potential whatsoever!

    When will people learn that its not Models VS CGI when there's good and bad special effects created with both disciplines! :rolleyes:
     
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