The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by jefferiestubes8, May 14, 2011.

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  1. ATimson

    ATimson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think that was the plan under the original developer, but that went away when Perpetual went under and Cryptic started over on development.
     
  2. Doug Otte

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    I'd love to see that sketch, but I get this message when I click the link:
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    You don't have permission to access /forgottentrek/images/TNG/Ob-Deck2.jpg on this server.


    Thanks,
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  3. mswood

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    You do realize that new shots of the 6ft model in Generations are going to look better then the original ILM, let alone Image G, effects shots. They did a lot of detailing work and a different paint job, then what was originally done for tv.
     
  4. Prologic9

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    I much prefer the original paint job. There was plenty of detail to it, and it felt much more appropriate to the design.

    The Generations scheme tried to replicate the aztecking from the refit-E era (something ILM was never good at), and ends up looking like its covered in plaid.

    Physically there's very little added detail, with the phaser stripes being the major upgrade.
     
  5. Trekker4747

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    IIRC, the originally the on-line game was supposed to pretty much let you roam the entire damn ship! Which, yeah, included the much larger sickbay area which on the blueprints suggested comprised of an entire deck as basically one huge hospital with the sickbay we normally saw just basically being a quick-care/triage center. There were dental offices, surgery suites, patient rooms, therapy rooms and pretty much everything you'd expect to see in any other hospital.

    Sorry about that, probably a flood control or image-stealing control by the host and my own image host is having issues right now so I can't share the image myself. But if you click on the second link, the article, the image is viewable from it's own thumbnail link. Right sidebar, under the headline "Illustrations" should be the second image under a sketch of officers looking out a window at the Bussard Collector on the starboard nacelle.
     
  6. Maurice

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    A mall doesn't necessarily means a shopping center. It can also be -- like the National Mall in Washington D.C. -- a sheltered walk or promenade, like a downtown or public square, which is probably what Andy was aiming for.
     
  7. mswood

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    Oh and the other major, major difference between original Generations ship shots and the ILM and Image G work done for the TV show is that they had a ton more time for lighting the damn model and making sure their passes where spot on.

    Thats a luxury that tv schedules (even the longer schedule for the Pilot just doesn't allow). And lighting on models is extremely, extremely important in maximizes the work done in crafting the model.

    As I have never seen the original model (with its original paint job and details) lit with the same care as the Generations work I can't say which paint job is better or if the increased details helped the look of the ship.

    I can say that based on the unequal comparison we did have (cleaned up original footage, and newly created footage) I preferred the newly created footage. But my enjoyment of that could easily be due to the increase care and time in lighting the model.
     
  8. beamMe

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    Well, at least two shots in Generations were reuses from the TV show. And they looked quite good next to the new footage.
     
  9. RAMA

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    Since WHEN is a mall "1980s"?? Do you know how many malls there are in the USA in 2011?

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  10. JJohnson

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    Exactly. A saucer-wide promenade, with a vista into space, and shops and lounges the entire perimeter would actually be an interesting idea to see on a Starfleet ship. It's different from what we've seen before, and if done right, would've been an interesting glimpse into crew life.
     
  11. AviTrek

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    You mean like a Promenade or something? ;)
     
  12. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, except, you know, going somewhere interesting.
     
  13. Doug Otte

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    Found it. Thanks!
    Doug
     
  14. Dick_Valentine

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    Oh please, any TNG fan would love to stand on that promenade and gaze up at the Enterprise docked above it, compare its many lovely details to that slightly smaller Galaxy class that docked there a few weeks before...

    We get trainspotters and plane spotters here in England but I wonder if there'd be Starship Spotters in the 24th Century?
    Probably!

    Didn't realise the 4ft was so universally hated, *shrug* Opened a bit of a can of worms now it seems.
    Now I'm to depart before people start comparing the CGI Galaxy Model in Ds9 Sacrafice of Angels to the CGI Galaxy in Voyagers Timeless :p

    (TBH A Galaxy has never looked better than Timeless imo. These are the Voyages included)
     
  15. Salinga

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  16. Mark_Nguyen

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    REmarkable. It means that with an enormous amount of work, they COULD restore a 16:9 picture. And then, with ANOTHER enourmous amount of work, they could erase all the boom mikes and cabling that would have been missed by keeping it the same.

    Still, would that not be awesome for a theatrical edit of BOBW?

    Mark
     
  17. RAMA

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  18. Mr. B

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    That frame is a nice insight but I still doesn't look like a 16x9 version is practical. The framing is off-center and as the AVS poster noted, framing and matting changes may have been implemented over the course of the series. Anyone looking for 'widescreen' TNG can just hit ASPECT button on their remotes.
     
  19. Salinga

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    As a compromise I suggest the yellow area. It crops top/bottom a bit of the overscan area, that the old TV sets didnt show (so it was practically never ment to be seen) and adds more information left/right from the original frame. The 16:9 version shows then black bars left/right.

    [​IMG]

    So a Blu-Ray version of the TV frame looks like:
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    ... and my suggestion would look like:
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  20. Maxwell Everett

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    What you've done there is to essentially expand horizontally out to the Academy aperture area, resulting in an aspect ratio of 1.54:1. It preserves the centerline but it's an even less standard aspect ratio than my "what if" example of 1.63:1, which preserves the vertical framing and is closer to the European 1.66:1 :

    [​IMG]

    You might as well keep the intended vertical framing and expand out to Academy, which would give you about 1.50:1, matching closely the VistaVision VFX plates of the pilot. But, like all these compromises, it solves one problem and creates another. Which is why they're probably sticking to 1.33:1.
     
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