The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 30, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    707 vote(s)
    62.7%
  2. Above Average

    213 vote(s)
    18.9%
  3. Average

    84 vote(s)
    7.5%
  4. Below Average

    46 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. Poor

    77 vote(s)
    6.8%
  1. phenyx2

    phenyx2 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I have to agree. I am old enough to have watched the original series live...and was one who actually sent in letters when it was canceled. I already can't wait for the next movie!:techman:
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Of course, for any "sociological study" to be of any interest it would have to be conducted by someone with the education and experience to be qualified to conduct it. The ability to spell "sociological" doesn't give one the tools or the temperment - or the protocols for accurate data collection - to conduct any study at all. It simply gives one a catchphrase for attempting to insult and provoke.
     
  3. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

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    I was simply noting that the fanbase includes CRA, who is part of the fascination... ;)
     
  4. Tom Servo

    Tom Servo Commodore Commodore

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    GENE IS DEAD! Sorry, but he is. So we have no clue what the hell he would get from the film. Yet his closest relatives, the people that have known him his whole life, say that he would have liked it.

    Unless you are his son, or Gene himself, then shut the fuck up about it. Because you don't know. YOU THINK YOU DO. But you don't.
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, you don't. You've demonstrated repeatedly that you have little understanding of what's going on or why.

    It's quite funny to watch a poster continue to declare that extraordinarily successful creative people are "idiots" and "don't know what the hell they're doing" as they move from success to success, satisfying great numbers of people who are far more discerning, openminded and fully as conversant with and understanding of the details of the subject as the declaiming poster.

    There used to be a popular slang phrase for that kind of thinking: "Everybody's out of step but Johnny."
     
  6. Captain Robert April

    Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Admiral

    Fascinating.

    We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

    Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
     
  7. Tom Servo

    Tom Servo Commodore Commodore

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    Actually I saw it again today and loved it even more.


    It's your posts that are braindead, not the film.
     
  8. Captain Robert April

    Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Admiral

    ^ And this isn't baiting...how?
     
  9. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Exactly so.

    The "too cerebral" story was a bit of self-serving mythmaking on Roddenberry's part, BTW, which he honed in retelling it to college audiences that he intended to flatter. If you read Justman and Solow's account of how Star Trek was developed, sold and produced you get a much more detailed and realistic account of why NBC rejected the pilot and why they commissioned a second one. Their problems - and Paramount's - with Roddenberry were never that he was way too bright or forward-thinking for them.
     
  10. JoeD80

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    Desilu's reaction was to make a second pilot that would appeal to a wider audience and be less cerebral.
     
  11. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    I'm convinced you are not a real Star Trek fan or have never really watched 90% of Star Trek
     
  12. James Bond

    James Bond Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    You're absolutely right. It's been absolutely fascinating to see just how utterly deranged the canon freaks really are. Just fascinating. :wtf:
     
  13. Captain Robert April

    Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Admiral

    But they didn't go braindead stupid with "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
     
  14. Samurai8472

    Samurai8472 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I thought Scotty and his alien tag along was funny. Scotty even brought him along at the end

    "GET DOWN!"
     
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  15. Captain Robert April

    Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Admiral

    It's clear that you're easily convinced of things that aren't even close to reality.

    Like the notion that this movie was actually good.

    I take you went back for a second helping of the Kool-Aid?
     
  16. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    No they didn't like the Cage because it was boring. There was not charisma with that crew. Nothing to do with the intelligence level. If anything the crew from The Cage was dumber not smarter.
     
  17. Dark Gilligan

    Dark Gilligan Writer Fleet Captain

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    By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Inside Star Trek, pp. 59-60


    One of the things that annoyed and concerned both studio and network people was the fact that Roddenberry had cast an unsuitable actor as "Number One" based on his personal relationship with her - that's the general meaning of the reference in the above to "Roddenberry's attitudes." The Desilu folks in particular were shocked at the irresponsibility of it, and it sure didn't reassure NBC's people about the judgment of the guy who would be running the show if it were picked up.
     
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  19. TGTheodore

    TGTheodore Writer Admiral

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    Gene Roddenberry was a part-time journeyman TV writer, selling to the occasional show. He needed money. He needed financial security. He came up with this "Star Trek" thing and happened to luck out with Desilu.

    All the "joining hands" philosophy stuff was not his main goal. Continued employment was. Sure, many episodes were darned good entertainment. A few even sneaked in a worthy message or two. I was hooked from the show's original debut.

    And the franchise was good enough for me to want to pitch to it for ten years down at Paramount. And to Pocket Books.

    But it wasn't the end-all be-all of television. It was a job that occasionally turned out pretty darned good. And that's all ANY TV writer can wish for.

    And I hope the new Star Trek continues to provide lots of work for writers, artists and technicians ... and more entertainment for us.

    --Ted
     
  20. Captain Robert April

    Captain Robert April Vice Admiral Admiral

    Do you even know the history of this show?
     

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