The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 30, 2009.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    707 vote(s)
    62.7%
  2. Above Average

    213 vote(s)
    18.9%
  3. Average

    84 vote(s)
    7.5%
  4. Below Average

    46 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. Poor

    77 vote(s)
    6.8%
  1. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I would bet a good hunk of money it will be Khan.

    Not my preference at all.. but if it means the film is a huge success and they make another one I will be happy. Though if it leads to The Search for Spock I might have to swallow poison. Hopefully if it is Khan they don't kill of Spock because uhh.. it's not exactly a cliffhanger the second time round.
     
  2. flemm

    flemm Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I expect it will be Khan. I would not be my personal choice but revitalizing existing material is what these writers seem to do best, so it might be the best choice for them, meaning in reality the best choice for us (the fans), since it is more likely to result in a good script and therefore a good movie.

    They are going to make this film a "Dark Knight" of sorts, the movie that takes what was established in the reboot and introduces an iconic villain. Khan is the obvious choice, and probably the best choice from that point of view, as much as I would rather see something new in theory.

    A couple of things to keep in mind, though:

    1) I could see a re-imagined Khan being very cool. It doesn't really have to be the same character (think Jack Nicholson's Joker vs. Heath Ledger's Joker). It certainly doesn't need to be the same story. It might start like Space Seed, but as long as it goes in another direction from there, it could end up being pretty awesome. At any rate, the revenge element seems out of the question, so it won't be a remake of TWoK.

    2) Khan might be the main antagonist, but there could be other new elements alongside of that. For example, after an initial scene involving the Botany Bay, the conflict could end up involving an alien world or civiliation we have never seen before.
     
  3. startrekrcks

    startrekrcks Fleet Captain

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    sounds exciting

    no I think that will be like a cover band doing a greatest hits album what I want is new stories
     
  4. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Tough room.

    Seriously, I'll bet there are far more TOS loyalists here than on the more mainstream sites. Oh well, it's not like they're ever going to get whatever it is that they wanted to get.
     
  5. startrekrcks

    startrekrcks Fleet Captain

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    people shouldn't hate the movie it is fun,engaging and a thrill ride What do you think
     
  6. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    Yeah, people forget we're Trek fans. We had arguments over engine nacelles.

    Engine nacelles.

    J.
     
  7. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

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    More than that: arguments over the distance between engine nacelles.
     
  8. inXi

    inXi Cadet Newbie

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    I voted average. Having seen it without any prior Star Trek experience that's what it seemed like. If it wasn't for Spock I wouldn't give it a second thought. That part was excellent. The rest... eh.
     
  9. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    Ah yes. I forgot about that. :lol:


    J.
     
  10. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Hell, we had entire fights because Kirk said "man" in one of the trailers. :lol:
     
  11. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Oh, and how about "enlist" versus "enroll?" The fans demand accountability!
     
  12. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    Oh, I think I realized why I went to TNZ in the first place, for the relative calm. :lol:

    J.
     
  13. Australis

    Australis Writer Admiral

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    Ain't that the truth?! :lol:

    Shame we couldn't have lured some of the more trolly posters from here down to there.

    Or vice versa. :devil:
     
  14. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    Well, I just watched it all again in glorious Blu-ray, and I have to say it's just as fantastic as when I saw it those three times in the theater. Absolutely pure fun, great characters, beautiful visual effects, real chemistry between the cast and crew, just a great, great, great movie!

    Still an A+ from me!

    J.
     
  15. startrekrcks

    startrekrcks Fleet Captain

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    I think people will appreciate the film more when they have it.
     
  16. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    All I know is that right now I really, really want to see more of this Star Trek. I haven't felt this way about new Trek in well over a decade.

    J.
     
  17. truetrekker

    truetrekker Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I think that the new movie was beyond everyones expectations! It was fantastic the new cast had alot of pressure on the to perform and they did... well done guys 100%
     
  18. Too Much Fun

    Too Much Fun Commodore Commodore

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    I just watched it again for the first time since it came out way back in May. This second time around, boy do I ever hate the special effects! They're just so busy and manic, I can never tell what's going on during the action sequences, especially the space battles. I haven't been so irritatingly disoriented since the action scenes in "Batman Begins". And I don't know why I never noticed the lens flares everyone complains about when I saw the movie for the first time, but this time they were burning my retinas from the first scene. Argh!

    One thing I feel more positive about this time is the villain. I still think his back story and the logic behind his plan are idiotic, but just looking at the performance and his plan, I appreciate both more. I like the intensity Eric Bana brought to the role, and I liked how diabolical his plan was, wanting to destroy every Federation planet one at a time. That's one ballsy evil scheme. Points for ambition, even if his reasons are dumb.

    This time I understand the hate for the Kobyashi Maru scene more (wow, Kirk/Pine was annoying as hell in that scene), but just as I felt the first time I saw it, by the end of the movie I liked all of the characters and the casting a lot. I liked Ben Cross more this time especially. The first time I was comparing him to Mark Lenard too much, so I was disappointed, but I think he did a good job now. And another opinion that hasn't changed upon re-watching: Urban nailed his character better than anyone else. I loved his interpretation of Bones.

    So the second time, there were things I minded more than I had before, and things I minded less than before. I think it's quite a maddeningly inconsistent movie. The first time I saw it, I said I think it kind of jumped the shark and started to suck once Old Spock showed up. This time, I would say it never really gets bad and never recovers. It's more like it has a bunch of great scenes, then a bunch of stupid scenes, back and forth. By the end, I thought the good outweighed the bad, though, so huzzah!
     
  19. BurntSynapse

    BurntSynapse Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    My objections were not so much with "change" per se, but rather what and how the changes were made. It was about 10 seconds into the film before I wondered: Why is the Kelvin reporting on "the looks” of some “it” which is “out of visual range” and implying lightning storms produce gravitational anomalies?

    The film is replete with examples of shamefully shoddy writing, betraying the creators' lack of concern for general science or audience intelligence - and the treatment of women in the film is appalling.

    To answer directly re: my opinion? This trek is a beautifully rendered, profit-maximizing travesty.

    Agree 100%, with good acting, casting and cool effects unable to salvage this disaster.


    I think almost every scene has problems, but let's test my theory: If someone would like to pick a scene, I'll check it for problems to which a reasonably alert viewer might have objections.
     
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  20. startrekrcks

    startrekrcks Fleet Captain

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    I don't really care what plot holes are in the movie I love Star Trek including this movie