Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by bbjegglebells, Nov 8, 2013.
Eh, I can live without him.
I like Sloan to, but I like him because he was kind of like a portal to the rabbit hole that is the dark side of the Federation. For instance Sloan says that Section 31 was created via the Federation's charter of rights or constitution, but if only a select handful (outside of Section 31) know of this agencies existence then it may imply this constitution was secretly amended.
To be honest if there was ever one group which would force the Federation government to become a dictatorship, when the going became really tough, it would be Section 31.
I think Trek's most heinous villain has to be the evil oil slick from "Skin of Evil" - it was, after all, created from all the evilness of some civilization smooshed together. Even if it was pretty crappy in execution.
^He was stationary though. If the aliens that made him left a beacon in orbit, he wouldn't be a problem.
Personally, I think Dark Mirror Universe Spock was the worst. He was totally evil, but his evil was backed by logic and reason, thus making it logically justifiable.
And it was nice to change from the maniacally laughing villain who rubs human skulls, to a logically evil mastermind who knew exactly what he was doing, and didn't have a single regret.
Voted Seska, General Chang and Gul Dukat. I was thinking about Kai Winn, but in the end I think she was just misguided.
Seska is treachery personified. But General Chang and Gul Dukat are by far the best acted villains. My number one is Gul Dukat, no contest.
Didn't know I could pick three. I've gotta start reading thread titles more closely.
I voted for the Female Changeling, but you could just as easily say the Founders as a whole. They were just so absolutely conviced that literally every other life form in the universe was inferior.
My other two votes would have been for Dukat and Soran. Soran because he was willing to kill off an entire civilization (numbering in the millions IIRC) for no other reason than to satisfy his own petty pleasure. My reasons for picking Dukat should be obvious, but special mention should be made of his creepy obsession with Kira. *shudder*
Since heinous means utterly odious or wicked, a number of the suggestions people have made here (the BOT Romulan Commander, for instance) do not qualify.
^Synonyms for heinous; odious, wicked, evil, atrocious, monstrous, abominable, detestable, contemptible, reprehensible, despicable, egregious, horrific, terrible, awful, abhorrent, loathsome, hideous, unspeakable, execrable; iniquities, or villainous.
All of these characters can be heinous in one form or another.
The Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror" doesn't fit any of the above. That was the whole point of the episode.
I would call blindingly following orders (especially if it means destroying your ship and crew) as reprehensible or inequitable and immoral.
Or it could simply be the right thing to do by keeping that technology from falling into enemy hands.
You're trying to judge the character by human standards, which is simply wrong.
^True, but labeling anyone heinous is generally their point of view (depending on how they define it), and from a human standpoint (being that we are all human) we could call him heinous for his Romulan actions. In TNG (and DS9 too IIRC) there were moments where Romulans where desperately trying to leave that mindset. They may have been heinous to other Romulans but moral to humans.
The Borg Queen, Shinzon and Kai Winn.
General Chang, khan and Gul Dukat
I agree with you--in old Trek I'm reminded of Parmen in this mold, and he was a lying sadist, but Fajo certainly had more style. His general cheerfulness was super-creepy.
I'm going to put in my own vote for Weyoun for second place: smarmy, machinating, and coldly but affably uncaring about anyone or anything else but himself and the Founders.
And 3rd...the Vidians as a species. Not evil, per se, just...heinous. I mean, we're talking Frankenstein stuff here. With live people.
Khan, Chang, and Dukat. Voted for Borg Queen by mistake.
The Borg (not the queen specifically), Dukat, and Khan stand above the rest.
-Dukat. The brilliant thing about his character was that he was given just enough humanity and awareness to make his crimes all the more wicked. He's a man who's so willingly self deluded and so obsessed with not truly examining his own sins that he actually resents the enslaved and abused people he oversees for not loving him. Someone not able to become good because he can never once question if any of his acts have been evil.
-Female Changeling. The scene that sold me was her discussion with Odo about how they have to break the solid's love of freedom and be "guided" by the Founders. The contemptuous disdain and racism towards our heroes is bad enough, but the entire War arc demonstrates how even the other species in the Dominion mean so little to her; Vorta made with no sense of aesthetics because they weren't deemed necessary, the Jem'Hadar inborn to obey their masters even when they're betrayed to their deaths; the Cardassians eventually turned cannon fodder because they aren't important. Its telling that compared to even an eventual obsessively insane megalomaniac like Dukat, she still seems more cold-hearted.
-Kivas Fajo. The genuinely sociopathic nature of the character, underneath all of his quirks make him one of the subtly darkest villains in the history of TNG. He has no empathy for anyone, only cares about his immediate personal desires, and his somewhat childish nature belies just how damn selfishly evil he is.
I'd like to add one other thing to your Dukat summary; toward the end, he was more like a force of chaos than any mere villain (and I mean even before he hooked up with the Pah Wraiths).
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