The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan?

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  1. bbjeg

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    What's the Vulcans doing with Red Matter anyway?
     
  2. BillJ

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    Just because something can be used as a weapon doesn't mean that was its original intent.
     
  3. T'Ryl

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    Red Matter was not originally designed to be used as a weapon, but a way to save a dying star's planets. If given at the dosage and time, it would have caused a blackhole, but not necessarily sucked Romulus & Remus in as well. Yes, the Romulans still would have lost their homeworld due to their sun turning into a blackhole. But they would have had the chance to escape. At least that is how it should have worked theoretically.
     
  4. BillJ

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    I'm pretty sure Hobus wasn't the home star of Romulus and Remus.
     
  5. bbjeg

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    The atomic bomb was originally theorized as a source of energy. I guess red matter could be in the same boat.
     
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    I never said Hobus. But no matter, he arrived to late to save the day, thus Nero's planet was lost.

     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    In the novel DTI: Watching the Clock, Red Matter was being investigated by the Vulcans 2382 as a new and more efficient means of producing artificial gravity.
     
  8. bbjeg

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    Also if Spock and those Romulans were sent back in time, doesn't that mean there's an alternate reality were there is a blackhole shooting out an exploding star? I don't think Kirk's parents made it out of that one.
     
  9. M.A.C.O.

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    No, the supernova can be seen in the background as the Narada attacks the Kelvin and as the escape shuttles flee the battle.
     
  10. Kolrad

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    It has always seemed strange to me that Spock had so much red matter on his ship. When Nero destroys Vulcan, he uses just a tiny drop that looks like about .01% of the total amount.

    Originally, I thought that was because Spock needed enough to collapse a star, while Nero was just using it to collapse planets. But when we see the flashback from Spock's mind meld, it shows that he only used a tiny drop too.

    It doesn't seem wise to carry around that much of such an incredibly dangerous material.
     
  11. Pavonis

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    It could be that Red Matter is more stable in large amounts, and small drops are inherently unstable. If that were the case, then carrying huge amounts of it would be safer than carrying only small amounts for each mission.
     
  12. YellowSubmarine

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    Like a strangelet? Fascinating.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    Red Matter is so incredibly dangerous that Vulcans don't want it anywhere near their homeworld. Therefore, Spock has do carry the entire quantity with him.
     
  14. DonIago

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    Or perhaps the means of manufacturing it didn't allow for producing less than he had, and was volatile enough that they wanted to create it within the ship rather than on a planet where it might do more damage if containment failed or such.
     
  15. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    Logical science stuff.
     
  16. DonIago

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    FWIW, I'd argue that the Krenim timeship is far more destructive than anything red matter-related.
     
  17. publiusr

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    It is the one I'd hate to run up against. It does worse than just kill you.
     
  18. bbjeg

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    I kinda disagree with you there, the Krenim ship doesn't really destroy as apposed to erase. The planets hit by the Krenim time ship beam were fine, good as new really. I guess it's "putting an end to existence" vs "erasing from existence". Red matter is definitely more devistating, no one really knows someone ceased to exist (unless you were in Janeway's situation).
     
  19. DonIago

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    I'd argue the erasing of a civilization to the point that nobody is even aware it once existed is far more destructive than simply destroying the civilization. I'd go so far as to apply the term "violation" to it, as you're not only directly affecting the target but causing potentially massive amounts of collateral damage.

    Hell, in this day and age you erase one human being who's reached the age of 40 or so and you're probably impacting the memories of at least a few hundred other people.

    If I was faced with being murdered in an alley or never having existed to begin with, I'd choose the former every time.
     
  20. bbjeg

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    Re: The most destructive ships in Star Trek history, and it was Vulcan

    The Krenim time ship is much more effective then the red matter ship, but not destructive. There is no collateral damage when the Krenim weapon is done.

    If you have a building and destroy it, you'd have rubble. If that same building was never built, then that fast food place down the street would never have been made, but the material used to make both buildings are still around unused. I'm arguing semantics here but when I think of the word destructive, I think of the word irreparable.