The Mirror Universe in Star Trek XIII?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by mymatty, Oct 10, 2013.

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The Mirror Universe in Star Trek XIII?

  1. I hope so.

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  2. I hope not.

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  1. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Before. That's the way it's been since the comic series began back in 2011.

    Or are you referring to the Klingon storyline? In which case, yes, they did the Klingon war as the third comic story set after STID.
     
  2. wulfio

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    well whatever the next movie is, 5 bucks says the enterprise faces off against a ship that outclasses it in firepower x10.
     
  3. Ithekro

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    Actually, it be funny if it was the Prime Mirror Universe, but the crews swapped ships. Thus the NuCrew would be forced to face a ship that outclasses them....their own USS Enterprise, in the Mirror Universe's TOS style ISS Enterprise.

    Be funnier if they had to destroy there own ship, but kept the ISS Enterprise as their own. Thus bringing things full circle. The USS Defiant drifts in to the Mirror Universe and influences them, Then the ISS Enterprise get taken by the NuTrek USS Enterprise crew and reintroduces that technology into the NuTrek universe. Then Starfleet builds a new USS Defiant, based on the ISS Enterprise...and promply lose into an Interspace Rift...to the Mirror Universe of 2155....full circle.
     
  4. RandyS

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    I'm sure this was what you rally meant to say.

    It IS the truth, after all.
     
  5. CorporalClegg

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  6. Keeper

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    As has been stated, the comix covered this, and that is a likely sign the live action won't be going there.

    But even if it hadn't, even if MU Trek was still an option, it's still too early to visit the MU in the Nutimeline, imo. Many non hard-core fans are still trying to get their heads around NuTrek not being an altered original timeline, so throwing the MU into the mix now would cause their heads to explode! Or worse, they might give up on Trek altogether for being too complicated.
     
  7. BillJ

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    I like "Mirror, Mirror" because it allowed for the actors to stretch their legs much like "The Naked Time" did. But the premise doesn't stand up at all under scrutiny.
     
  8. CorporalCaptain

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    IMO "Mirror, Mirror" works just fine as a one-off. There's nothing assumed about the Mirror Universe, except that for a brief period of time at the Halkan homeworld, it's in contact with the Prime Universe and remarkably similar. As far as the original episode is concerned, the similarity between the two universes need not extend beyond the neighborhood of that contact. There can be less and less similarity both the further back in time you go and the father away you go in space, just as the futures can diverge too.

    Where the premise doesn't stand up is in the sequels, when the MU keeps getting revisited over and over again. It's at that point that you have to assume some wacked-out kind of causal interrelationship between the two universes that keeps them roughly synchronized as time goes on. When it's just a one-off, you can "explain" the transposition as shifting to something similar with an altogether different history that doesn't have to remain in sync afterwards. Scotty basically said that they had only one chance to get back.

    Naturally, the MU originally existed to have fun in a change-of-pace episode. The MU is also directly present to address the Halkan's question of what sort of morals the Federation adheres to.

    DS9 and ENT wanted to have their fun in the MU too, but those episodes didn't work for me as well as the TOS original. IAMD1&2 came the closest though.
     
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  9. RandyS

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    I liked Mirror, Mirror because it showed us how things could have been. I've always been interested in the concept of parrallel universes, Star Trek-related or not.
     
  10. Enterprise1701

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    I don't dislike "Mirror, Mirror" or the mirror universe in general. I just would hate seeing a new iteration of the mirror universe with characters played by Abramsverse actors.
     
  11. JHarper

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    Doomsday Device!
     
  12. Richard Baker

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    For stories like the Mirror Universe and 'The Naked Time' to work you first need to know the characters better. How can you enjoy seeing them act differently when you don't really understand how they act normally yet? That is why TNGs 'The Naked Now' did not work for me- too soon in the series to appreciate the crew acting out of character.
     
  13. xavier

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    the thing with mirror mirror is that it just would not work on screen especially in Abram's universe where everything is so fast paced. juggling two alternate world in one film would be too much. especially when one of the world is just down right evil. the mirror universe only works better on tv.

    a best way to tell a mirror story in film will be to split the film in two parts like they did with the last harry potter book.

    we could have

    star trek 13 part 1
    star trek 13 part 2

    Both two parts will tell the story of the mirror universe and the films will come put 6 months apart from each other.
     
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  14. Shat Happens

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    It's already done:

    TOS Kirk: Romanced women and other females, kept class throughout.
    JJ Kirk: kept saying hello to nurses and colleagues (sex harass all around), was kicked out of the green girl's room by her roommate (probably he was a virgin up to his 2nd movie)

    TOS Kirk: Kissed Uhura
    JJ Kirk: didn't kiss Uhura

    TOS Kirk: fought god Gary Mitchell, shot diamonds at Gorn's chest, downed superhuman Khan.
    JJ Kirk: had his nose broken by a cupcake.

    Kirk: forced to fight by superior beings (Metrons, Excalbians, Melkots)
    JJ Kirk: had his nose broken by a cupcake in a fight HE picked.

    TOS Kirk: can't drive stick.
    JJ Kirk: drives sports cars from the age of 6

    TOS Kirk: Kills Klingons, earns their respect.
    JJ Kirk: first time he saw a Klingon he only wasn't killed because of .... KHAN?

    TOS Khan: almost killed Kirk and would fubar the galaxy if he had his way.
    JJ Khan: see above. Also: donated blood saving a tribble's life. Only did bad things because he wanted to be with his comrades and was betrayed first.

    TOS Kirk: defeated Romulan in battle, would accept surrender and rescue survivors.
    JJ Kirk: opened fire with all weapons at Romulan's disabled vessel

    TOS Kirk: circled black holes above lightspeed, travelled through time, saved Earth.
    JJ Kirk: The only time he was near a black hole with the Enterprise he almost fell in (because he wanted to shoot Nero, see above)

    TOS Trek: universe
    JJ Trek: another universe.
     
  15. Enterprise1701

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    A note: a commonly held idea in fandom and used in the modern novelverse is that the "black star" in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" was not a black hole but a fictitious cross between a star and black hole.
     
  16. M'Sharak

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    That may or may not be a commonly-held idea in fandom, but black stars are anything but fictitious. (See also: Dark star)

    It's also a fact that the term "black hole"—at the time the "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" script was written (final draft teleplay November 1966)—had not yet entered the general vocabulary even among theoretical physicists. Though it had appeared in print in a 1964 article, it was the term's use in a Fall 1967 speech by John Wheeler which is credited with bringing "black hole" into common usage. By then, "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" had already been filmed and aired.

    For practical purposes, a black star is a black hole is a black star - no fictitious crosses required.
     
  17. The Wormhole

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    The Naked Time itself is the fourth episode aired and seventh filmed of TOS, which isn't really that much more time to get to know the characters.
     
  18. Last Redshirt

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    They can barely get their own universe down pat. What makes them think they can introduce a whole other one and hope to get it right?
     
  19. wulfio

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    and Strange New World from ENT.
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    The concept of an evil twin universe is so simple to understand, there's no doubt they could pull it off if they wished. And what's wrong with the universe they've already established? Seems fine to me.