The meeting in Star Trek VI

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  1. darkshadow0001

    darkshadow0001 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    During the meeting with Spock in the opening scene of Star Trek VI, could you tell if anyone was going to end up being a "traitor" later in the film? I've never noticed it much before, but I noticed Admiral Cartwright looking very nervous. Anyone else?
     
  2. Augustus

    Augustus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah I noticed it in repeated viewings. But there are no obvious cues to make you suspect anyone..
     
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    On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
    I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.
     
  4. trentman359

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    Star Trek VI is my favorite movie and I've easily seen it the most. The foreshadowing is all very small and hardly noticeable. I always thought that Valeris was just telling those men to get back to work. Meyer did a great job on this film.
     
  5. Josh_Lyman

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    One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
     
  6. darkshadow0001

    darkshadow0001 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    You forgot Spock :) But good point.
     
  7. Data Holmes

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    There was an Asian admiral there too... I'm pretty sure.

    Edited to add:

    Yes I was correct... Actually, overall there is quite a few "minorities" and well as a decent proportion of female officers represented. Here is the overall shot... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0051.jpg


    In this clip you can see an Indian woman and a black man... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0048.jpg

    Further down, closer to the podium just over spock's right shoulder... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0056.jpg

    It's fuzzy, but there is an asian man on the left of this grab... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0049.jpg

    This one is clearer from that side, as you can see there are two asian men... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0061.jpg

    The aid to the cinc is an asian woman... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0050.jpg

    ANd in this clip is a female admiral of non white decent to... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tuc/ch1/tuc0053.jpg
     
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    When I saw the movie in the theater I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, although I guess I should have considering his attitude towards the Klingons (bringing them to their knees).
     
  9. ClayinCA

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    Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.
     
  10. Data Holmes

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    Huh... I saw it coming. But I'm always able to see the story before it's over. :shrug:

    It's why my family hates watching TV/Movies with me anymore.:lol:
     
  11. Maurice

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    ^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.
     
  12. Data Holmes

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    I've got alot of ideas on how the movie could have been better.

    For one, I still think they should have made Sulu in on it...
     
  13. Krieg1981

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    I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!
     
  14. Data Holmes

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    People see what they want to see.
     
  15. Krieg1981

    Krieg1981 Commodore Commodore

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    Very true. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.
     
  16. T'Cal

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    Wow! I never put that together before. You've just improved this film for me, and I already loved it. Thanks!

    I never realized, until I read it here a while ago, that the character Col. West was a reference to Col. Oliver North, who had garnered some notariaty at the time.
     
  17. Nebusj

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    Have you got to the realization about why Valeris shoots a phaser in the galley rather than just reminding Chekov about the alarm?
     
  18. Guartho

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    No, why is that? To have an excuse for her 'prints' being on it or something?
     
  19. SmoothieX

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    I never noticed the Cartwright stuff, but I was hip to Valeris pretty quick when she snuck up on Kirk's quarters and later when she was loitering around the transporter room.

    I was 11 and didn't catch much subtlety at the time but saw the sure fire stuff.
     
  20. ClayinCA

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    Yeah, I never thought there was the least amount of doubt that Valeris was the traitor (once it was established that there, in fact, was a traitor). I was astounded when I realized there was supposed to be suspense about the issue. It's one of the only things about The Undiscovered Country that doesn't quite gel for me.