The Improving the JJprise thread

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  1. The Castellan

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    Got that for Poser/Daz Studio?
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    No one named "Jar Jar" worked on the movie.
     
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    Improving the JJprise?


    High explosives comes to mind.
     
  4. Lord Garth FOI

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    Jeeze Denny that is pretty

    Make the docking rings smaller and she'd be perfect
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Thanks.

    This one is scaled similarly to the ST:TMP ship, so a lot of the detail is larger than on the JJPrise. Actually, other than scale your ship and mine have a lot in common - both incorporate aspects of the TMP ship and the JJPrise, as well as pennants reminiscent of the TOS version.

    I like the engines Church designed, especially details like the "fins" that are call-backs to the original series ship. Personally, I didn't want to see a faithful rendering of the 1966 version of the Enterprise in the reboot.

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  6. Kaiser

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    Awesome! :) :techman:

    Wouldnt mind adding a mini version of that to my toy ship fleet :)
     
  7. The Castellan

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    Interesting takes on the Enterprise have been a staple of the covers of Star Trek novels since the James Blish days.
     
  10. Wingsley

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    If I understand the basic notion of "re-imagining" correctly (both from the 2009 movie and Ronald D. Moore's BATTLESTAR GALACTICA remake), JJ Abrams set out to capture the essence of TOS without any attachments to the specifics of what TOS was about. So you see characters and situations that vaguely resemble the originals, as well as a "new" Starship Enterprise that vaguely (at least, from what it looks like to my eyes) resembles the TMP "refit" ship.

    I would say that if JJ was going to the trouble of inventing that way-out bridge set (looks like a cosmetics counter in a high-end shopping mall; nod to the photoshopper who nailed it on this forum some time ago) then the rest of the ship should follow accordingly. The Nuprise should have tried using a (more) clean sheet of paper, breaking down the basic shapes and creating something much more different. (And I'm not talking about an imitation battlestar or star destroyer, either.)

    So, what do you have? A saucer, nacelles and a secondary hull. There are indications that the Nuprise could be much larger than the TOSprise. The bridge looks very advanced, so should the rest of the ship follow suit? I say y-e-s. Why make nacelles that look like marital aids? Why borrow the illuminated dish from FIRST CONTACT? And why make the hull texture and shape of the saucer look like warmed-over TMPprise? Beats me. Sounds like JJ's crew took one step forward, two steps back.

    I like some of the things that were done with the Kelvin. If it were me, I would've scaled up and extrapolated on the Nuprise evolving along the Kelvin's design concepts. (The Kelvin's exterior really impressed me, and I'm not even a fan of single-nacelle starships anymore.)

    If the Nuprise must be large as a battlestar, fine. Start with the saucer. Give it some serious diameter, and at least 3 or 4 decks thick at the outer rim, possibly more, depending on how big you want to go. That outer rim should be housing hangar bays a la DS9, as well as cargo bays and labs and other facilities. Crew habitat would be in the saucer hub. The saucer might look a little like the early concepts developed for the McQuarieprise. (spelling?) I would envision a ship like this having a crew of at least a thousand, if not thousands, and being sized to match. The saucer would reflect that, of course, and would also be equipped to operate as a limited-capability starship in its own right. As long as we're re-inventing everything, maybe saucer modules would be multi-purpose space vessels in their own right, able to carry out various preset missions once jettisoned from the stardrive section; lifeboat, space station, temporary command base, cargo hauling platform, weapons platform, listening post, you name it.

    Maybe the stardrive section would not be elaborate. maybe just a simple, spartan secondary hull and simpler nacelles attached by nondescript pylons. Maybe the saucer should look disproportionately large in comparison because that's where the bulk of the crew and facilities would be.

    And to further distinguish JJ's TREK from TOS/TMP/ etc., maybe there wouldn't be a plethora of starship classes. Maybe there's just one "Star Ship Class", ever evolving in technology and size. The idea of simpler, interchangeable modules and the bulk of the facilities residing in the saucer would mean the nature of starships, how they would operate and how they would be maintained/repaired/replaced/refit would be quite different than what we saw in TOS, TMPs and TNG/DS9.

    Maybe to further offset the re-thought JJprise from the 2009 JJprise or the previous Enterprises, the nacelles would be long, somewhat thin, simple tubes. There might not be any domes at the front or back. Maybe both ends would vaguely resemble the bows of jet engines. Maybe they glow faintly when at idle, but maybe the whole housing glows (and the length of the tubes glows right through its own hull) when fully revved for flight.

    I hated the uniforms used in the 2009 movie. My feeling was that if you're going to re-invent, then by all means, re-invent. Bring back the turtlenecks of "The Cage", but maybe incorporate them into an ENT-style jumpsuit. And when it comes to the ship's external markings, be a bit more flamboyant like the "small corvette" thread found elsewhere in this forum.

    One thing I would bring back from TOS is the proud, utilitarian naval block lettering used in the original Enterprise's hull nomenclature. Everything else used since looked embarrassingly cheesy by comparison.

    I might also be interested to experiment with different hull colors and textures.
     
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  11. Kaiser

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    Awesome views :) :techman:
     
  12. The Castellan

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    Plus don't forget the rest of the interiors. Engineering was probably designed by Chief of Starfleet Design Corps, Captain Sanford. :lol: :rommie:
     
  13. IcecreamLtDan

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    Not a huge fan of the JJPrise myself, though I don't have the extreme hatred of it I've seen in others. Honestly, make the secondary hull a little larger, like in bulletheads' version, and move the neck further forward on the secondary hull and I'd be happy.

    One thing I really do like about it is the way the back of the neck blends into the top of the secondary hull. It looks really good like that to me and it's an aspect that makes sense to me as it adds an organic look and seems like it would make the whole neck structure more solid.
     
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    I don't understand why anyone would hate it. It's my favorite Enterprise. The only thing I would change would be to move the front of the engineering hull back a bit.
     
  15. Science Officer

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    MNIL - One of the nicest JJPrise/TMP ships I've seen :techman:. The neck works really well as do the pylons. The nacelles are still a little too much like the originals for my liking. I'm also trying to figure out if you could add 5% of the length to the back of the secondary hull to make it look a little sleeker.

    But that is a minor point - it mixes the nicely balanced proportions of the TMP design with the some of the styles of the JJPrise.

    Cheers,
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  16. YARN

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    Would've been nice to see her on the big screen at least once...
     
  17. Chemahkuu

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    Beautiful work on your variation Dennis, it's work like yours that has made the original JJprise grow on the last two years.

    I've thought about re-downloading Blender and working on a design of my own, my just try that now.
     
  18. LordSarvain

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    It was on the big screen, in Airplane 2.

    About 3:30 in this clip
     
  19. CuttingEdge100

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    Why did you arrive at the conclusion the New-Prise was 1,200 meters. I remember a drawing a guy did with a human for scale and it matched 762 pretty good...
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Thanks, guys.

    I'd move the lower hull as you say, and fatten that hull up a bit. I don't think Church's could be my favorite Enterprise, but it's in my top three.

    And yeah, the TOS ship had its moment in Airplane 2. Let it lie.
     

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