Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JacksonArcher, Oct 27, 2010.
The Dark Who What, now?
There's nothing to talk about really right now which is why the thread got off track...and we kind of were talking about living in Gotham but got sidetracked. Actually I think it was sonak who brought up why anyone would live in Gotham City as a response to Anne's comments in the interview.
Heh, right on both counts.
I suppose my question is, (and I think someone else brought this up before) how can this be allowed to happen in a major American city? Unless, of course, it's taking from elements of No Man's Land where, if memory serves, Gotham was basically left for dead by the government after a massive earthquake.
I hear Superman dies in this film.
Bane is really Doomsday?
Fascinating Cracked.com fan theory
The theory not only goes into why he thinks Bruce Wayne will die in The Dark Knight Rises, but also has some interesting thoughts about he calls Nolan's The Prestige trilogy and how it ties in with Nolan's Batman trilogy.
I think this article has been posted in here before...or at least I've read it. It's very interesting but doesn't change my mind that he is going to kill Bruce Wayne. I do think Bruce will be broken by Bane and have to rise both mentally and physically to overcome that to take back Gotham and defeat him.
Ah, I wasn't sure. I discovered it yesterday while reading a plethora of Cracked articles.
If Bruce Wayne does die in TDKR, I highly doubt it will remain a secret for long.
Well, whatever the end of the movie will be, it will be totally disappointing to those who waste hours, days and weeks thinking about this.
Clearly then that's not us. Must be those Batman On Film members you mean.
Did Bruce break his rule against killing his enemies in the first film?
Ra’s was on the train. Bruce sent Gordon ahead with the Batmobile to destroy part of the track. Meanwhile, Bruce engaged Ra’s in combat, which kept Ra’s from becoming aware of the gap or extricating himself from the situation.
How is that not killing?
^I think he bent it a little bit. It's been a while since I've watched it, but I seem to recall him saying something along the lines of, "I'm not going to kill you.... but I don't have to save you either!" before getting out of the train.
Bruce didn't physically kill him. Basically he let fate decide what would happen while Ra's was attempting to force his hand or put in another way, Ra's was pushing Bruce to make an absolute choice to kill him. Bruce realized he didn't have to do this. The scene I think was meant to be a complete reversal of the scene earlier in the sanctuary where he did save Ra's.
Bruce probably killed a dozen or more people in Batman Begins. He could have also killed a lot of cops during the car chase in the end, we never saw what happened to those poor guys.
That’s what he said, but is it valid reasoning? By destroying the tracks in front of a speeding train, Bruce created the fatal situation. It’s like throwing someone off a skyscraper and saying, “I’m not going to kill you — the ground will take care of that — but I don’t have to catch you.”
Well, not really. There was no other way to stop the train.
Ha, wait, Bruce destroyed the control panel, didn't he? So then he actually killed him.
You’re arguing that the killing was justified, but Bruce doesn’t claim it’s justifiable homicide, he claims it’s not homicide.
How about this: The enemy base contains a super weapon. Bruce plants a bomb that destroys the weapon and kills everyone in the base. The bomb saves more lives than it ends, but would you agree with Bruce’s claim that he didn’t kill those people?
Wasn't there a line on the TV news report that said something such as "nobody was hurt"? Hand wave fix, no doubt, but I thought I remember hearing something like that.
It's been some time since I last watched the film, but didn't Ra's destroy the panel so that Bruce couldn't stop him?
I always figured that blowing the tracks was just plan B. Bruce sent Gordon in the Tumbler in case he couldn't stop Ra's himself. Otherwise there is no reason why he couldn't have driven himself.
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