The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Agent Richard07, Jul 8, 2008.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    79.4%
  2. Above Average

    13.5%
  3. Average

    5.0%
  4. Below Average

    0.6%
  5. Poor

    1.5%
  1. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah I can't see this Batman riding around in something as sleek and stylish as the '89 Batmobile. Unless it was a LOT more beefed up and heavily armored. ;)

    Or maybe, since he's on the run now, he'll just stick with the batpod for awhile. It does seem like a more efficient way to get around the city, and doesn't attract NEARLY as much attention as a big, giant car.
     
  2. Trekker4747

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    Fox isn't gone!

    Fox would only leave if the cellular sonar thing stayed. "So long as [the cellular sonar thing] remains at Wayne Enterprises, I won't."

    Typing his name into the computer destroyed it.

    Fox stays at Wayne Enterprises.

    This is even hinted at in Gordon's closing monologue about "people deserve to have the faith restored."

    Seesh, people. It was clear as day.
     
  3. Emh

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    I concur on this sentiment. While I like The Tumbler more than most (other than the stupid shooting position), I much prefer the The Batpod.
     
  4. archeryguy1701

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    I would just like to say that all of the people involved in that incident (well, except for maybe the mom) are now my heros.
     
  5. Emh

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    I never see anything like that. I must be going to the wrong theaters. :(
     
  6. Spaceman Spiff

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    My girlfriend-who-would-be-wife and I talked about it afterward, wondering what the lady was hoping would happen.

    Were we supposed to rise under her leadership and march over to the concession stand to make life hell for teens making $9 an hour?
     
  7. davejames

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    No I don't think Fox would leave, but I do think it was clear by the end of the movie he had grown a bit disillusioned with Bruce and his tactics. I'm sure in the next movie he'll be a little more hesistant to help Bruce out. At least at first.

    Personally I kinda like the idea of Bruce scaling back some in the next movie; for supposedly being a grittier and more realistic take, this Batman seems just as reliant on fancy gadgets and technology as the Burton Batman was. Maybe even MORE so.
     
  8. Trekker4747

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    Yeah, moments of this movie struck me as Batman being a little more like James Bond. Only we need is Fox to speak in a british accent.

    "Now. See here, 00B. What I have for you today is a new suit to meet your demands. Made of a lighter material but it should be suitable against those nasty dog bites you're so worried about."

    Where's Batman the DETECTIVE?
     
  9. Spaceman Spiff

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    "I need five minutes alone before your men contaminate the scene."
     
  10. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Ewww...

    That's gross on several levels.
     
  11. davejames

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    Yeah that was a nice comic book moment, but unfortunately they were few and far between in this movie. The sonar vision in the warehouse took the reliance on technology a little TOO far, I thought. Batman shouldn't need all that to get the job done.
     
  12. Trekker4747

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    Yeah that was a nice moment (along with the balistics scene I still don't get) but overall they've not shown much to display Batman's detective abilities.
     
  13. JacksonArcher

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    Maybe not as Batman, but definitely as Bruce. Most of the time when he wasn't the playboy, he was still in Batman mode, working with Alfred to find the cops that Joker's men had kidnapped (like in the funeral procession scene) or trying to uncover which cops had family in the hospital when Gordon was trying to protect Reese.

    Then again, how many detective moments can you do in a Batman movie without still managing the characters, the story, and delivering on the action? I think The Dark Knight handled all of those exceedingly well.
     
  14. Samurai8472

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    Terminator 2 is nowhere close to being as dark and dystopian as TDK appears to be. I know a lot of people liked the ferry scene - I thought it was almost a deus ex machina - because the people need to show their good side (especially in a movie where people repeatedly end up dragging themselves to new lows), people will suddenly discover the good in themselves and deny Joker his triumph. Sure, Nolan directs and cuts that sequence very well, but in the end, it was still a token gesture (imo) because good must have at least some triumph. But by the end of the movie (except for that, and the faith of Gordon's boy in Batman) everything is in shambles.

    Terminator 2 even had the Terminator willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of humanity - that's not really scary. TDK is scary to kids not because it shows an apocalyptic possible future (which is now almost a trope) but tries to say that society and we all stand very close to the abyss. When the Batman upsets the natural order of things, it ends up with the mobs going nuts and throwing their lot in with the psychopath Joker leading to so much mayhem and slaughter (it was on the side of the truck with the Joker in the tunnel sequence) both in terms of lives lost, property destroyed but also in terms of souls lost/scarred. That's what makes TDK scary to me.

    I was revolted with what I saw. Just like I was revolted with what I saw in Seven. This is truly dark and depressing stuff. Not the finely crafted Terminator 2 - which is a great action movie. And that was what Nolan and co. aimed for and got right in spades, I think.

    Kids may or may not think the Joker to be cool. There was nervous laughter (a definite audible reaction, at the very least) when Joker enters the crime conference and performs his first trick. Some kids might want to say "how cool is that" or "The Joker totally p0wned that muscle". And that is why kids perhaps should be recommended against seeing this movie. You do realize that the pencil could not possibly have penetrated the guys skull, right? It entered thru the muscle's eye and went straight into the brain matter. Can you imagine it going thru the cornea, squishing thru the eyeball... (I'll stop and not be any more graphic) But *that* was NOT cool. It was scary!

    This to-me was a definite R-rated movie. It was extremely well-made and deserves to be seen and all that... But not by kids in their tens-elevens because of it's unsettling content which is sooo effective.

    Anyways - on another note - Bats' costume - especially his helmet was awful! Maybe that humongous helmet protected him when he fell (multiple times in the movie) but it almost always took me out of the movie whenever they had a closeup of Bats talking to various people.
     
  17. archeryguy1701

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  18. Trekker4747

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    It's on right now on History but re-airs at Midnight.

    A 1-hour show on Batman's Technology.
     
  19. CaptainCanada

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    The fact that the movie is depressing doesn't mean it should be R-rated; you could make a G-rated film about similar themes.
     
  20. Psion

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    It looks like it was composited between "Batman" and the last "Spider-man" feature. It basically says, "Batman pwns Spider-man" (by breaking records set by the previous Spider-man movie.