The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Agent Richard07, Jul 8, 2008.

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Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

    79.4%
  2. Above Average

    13.5%
  3. Average

    5.0%
  4. Below Average

    0.6%
  5. Poor

    1.5%
  1. suarezguy

    suarezguy Commodore Commodore

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    Good ol' hype. My negative reaction to Ledger, the tone & the overall film is somewhat in response to how awesome, different, dark Newsweek and Time claimed they were. In addition to seeming derivative, Ledger seemed too young, punkish. For "having no agenda", he was initially too closely affiliated with the mob, and he was too bad all the time, rarely amusing, and so not too interesting (I did like his second explanation for the scars).

    It seemed too simple to me, Bats losing heart easily & not explaining himself well, not seeming to have a lot of inner conflict about the violence, certainly not about his methods.
     
  2. Harvey

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    The plan was to catch the Joker, so it makes sense that they would have had to play into his hand a little bit. Still...
     
  3. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    I thought so too in the early stages of the movie's production, but let it slide as time went on.

    As for Batman and Harvey's fall, it seemed like enough to kill a man who landed on his back, but not enough to injure someone who was prepared and could brace himself for a landing. It wasn't that far to the ground anyway was it?
     
  4. Lapis Exilis

    Lapis Exilis Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It looked liek a two story fall, but it must be remembered that Harvey was suffering from major burns over a huge part of his body. Even though he didn't act as if he was in pain, the amount of damage shown would have to have severely compromised anyone's system. On top of that, he says he has no intention of getting out of there alive. Major injuries + no will to live...
     
  5. S. Gomez

    S. Gomez Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    My desperate need for being recognized as a truly great comedian is trying to discover a funny continuation of this line. Unfortunately, I'll have to settle for a dorky post like this.
     
  6. OdoWanKenobi

    OdoWanKenobi Admiral Admiral

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    I don't remember seeing any breathing, and I made it a point to look for it. It's quite possible that the fall could have killed Dent and not Batman. Dent fell on his back, and the impact very well could have severed his spine. Batman also had Dent's body to cushion his fall a bit. I think that Dent is most likely dead, but it is still ambiguous enough that they could bring him back in the next one and nobody would raise an eyebrow.
     
  7. Phantassm

    Phantassm Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Loved it-great film. My friend and I saw it yesterday and we thoroughly enjoyed every minute off it!
     
  8. nx1701g

    nx1701g Admiral Admiral

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    I thought it was three but your point remains valid. Harvey just had no will left to live after Rachel's death and what had happened to him.
     
  9. Jack Bauer

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    I looked very carefully to see if Dent was breathing and he wasn't. His chest didn't even move.
     
  10. SalvorHardin

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    TDk is definately one of the best comics based films made so far. It's even a very good action-drama film overall.

    A few things that didn't work for me...
    Bale's Batman voice is awful.The worst thing about the movie actually.
    And the whole sonar vision at the end didn't quite work I believe.

    Now, Ledger's Joker was outstanding.Far better than I was expecting and I was expecting a lot.
    Bale did a great job as Bruce Wayne as did the rest of the cast with their roles.Can't say I found anyone lacking.

    I can't wait to see what Mr Nolan has in store for us for the next Batman.He sure went and set the bar really high for himself.:techman:
     
  11. Pro Populo

    Pro Populo Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I haven't seen this mentioned in the thread yet, so here's something I'm not sure if anyone else picked up on:

    In Begins, it's never explicitly stated, but it seems fairly evident that Lucius Fox has a pretty good idea that Bruce is Batman. In TDK, it's downright obvious that he knows. But when Batman visits Lucius in the big sonar room with all the video monitors in it, he still uses his goofy growly Batman voice, as if he still had to disguise himself from Lucius.

    Now, the movie is great and I love it, don't get me wrong. But that's just kinda weird.
     
  12. John Picard

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    Caught it last night with my 13-year old and I give it a grade of "EXCELLENT". This movie captured the true persona of the Joker and Heath Ledger pulled it off well. The "disappearing pencil" really made the audience laugh and gasp.
     
  13. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe there's some device attached to the Batsuit that changes his voice that is activated at all times.
     
  14. Neroon

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    I think it's the mask, covering his nasal passages so Batman has to breathe solely through his mouth. It just seemed more common for Batman to have his mouth open, as if he had trouble breathing through the nosepiece. This costume is designed a little differently from Begins, but then I didn't maek it a point to notice such things when it was on FX last week.
     
  15. John Picard

    John Picard Vice Admiral Admiral

    I figured that as well considering the suit is rigged so no one else can detach the head piece.
     
  16. I dont like the growl, I mean i get it he's disguising his voice, but it sounds bad. I wonder if maybe he has something inside of his cowl pressing against his neck to "produce" that sound (since Nolan likes to have realistic explanations for every little thing)
     
  17. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    "Huge part of his body" or just the left side of his face. :wtf:
     
  18. Emh

    Emh The Doctor Premium Member

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    I just figured that he was so accustomed to using the growl voice as Batman that he didn't even think about dropping down to his normal voice.
     
  19. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    There's something else that's been bugging me that I didn't mention... Lucious said he'd threaten to quit if Bruce kept the sonar room. He said it was too much power for one person to have. Seriously? I don't get that attitude. Having an advantage like that is a good thing, and neither he nor Bruce are bad guys. Too much power is only bad when someone else has it and might use it against you. If you're the one who has it, you keep it. Now if he said he was afraid it would fall into the wrong hands, then I could almost accept that.
     
  20. SalvorHardin

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    I can see that working as well.