The Cage episode

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  1. RandyS

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    Well, Vina DID say that they "Forgot how to repair the machines left behind by their ancestors".

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  2. Noname Given

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    Also, remember at the time the original version of "The Cage" was written, Vulcans WERE NOT cold and logical. Spock was supposed t be more emotional and hot-headed in contrast to "Number One's" cold/analytical/computer-like emotional state. <-- This aspect was added to the "Mr. Spock" character and Vulcans as a species AFTER the "Number One" character was dropped from the cast. So, in that context, Spock's actions make perfect sense for the character at the time it was written/filmed.
     
  3. Ssosmcin

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    Yeah, I get that, but the rest of the ship was made up of humans, too. He still could have played it less nervous. Bring third in command and all....
     
  4. Push The Button

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    It is weird and tragic that Jeff Hunter and Susan Oliver both died relatively young (Hunter was 43 and Oliver 58).
     
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  5. 2takesfrakes

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    Wow! I did not know that Susan Oliver died at 58. I thought she was still around, doing conventions and whatnot. I know she went on to become something of a director, too. I wonder if she had been an inspiration to Roxann Dawson, at all?
     
  6. scotpens

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    The Green Girl documentary -- Link

    Susan was a founding member of the AFI's directing workshop for women. She directed one episode of MASH and an episode of Trapper John, M.D.

    As most of us Trek geeks probably know, she was also an accomplished airplane pilot. Any beautiful babe who can fly a Learjet is my kind of woman.

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  7. Melakon

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    It's too bad she never directed a TNG, though her health might have already been failing by then.
     
  8. CorporalCaptain

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    Push The Button, you've got me saying something that scotpens actually said. :)
     
  9. Push The Button

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    Sorry about that, I do most of my web stuff on my iPhone now, which isn't the same as using a mouse and a real keyboard.
     
  10. CorporalCaptain

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    No problem. It can be easy to mess up quote tags, period. Thanks for fixing.
     
  11. Redfern

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    I knew Ms. Oliver was a pilot, but I had no idea she was rated for jets! Sweet!

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  12. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    The blurays also feature two different versions of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." I personally like the grainy look of the original version (which was transferred from a 16mm source and is on the third season set).

    I have a soft spot for the original VHS release of "The Cage." It was one of the first Trek episodes I bought on video and I watched the hell out of it. I loved the Roddenberry intro, even if he was spouting bullshit. :)
     
  13. evangelist6589

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    I SEE. Well it looked like a boring episode but I will watch it just for kicks.
     
  14. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I do not have a Bue-Ray player
     
  15. scotpens

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    Some of the other cuts, IIRC:

    After Pike questions why Vina wears the same metal fabric as the Talosians, she coyly replies: "Well, I have to wear something. Don't I?"

    Just before the Orion slave girl illusion, the Keeper remarks: "A curious species. They have fantasies they hide even from themselves."

    During the Orion sequence, the guy in the Starfleet uniform says: "Funny how they are on this planet. They actually like being taken advantage of."

    (There were cuts made in this sequence even before the pilot was screened for the NBC suits. Right after the leering bald guy says "Almost like secret dreams a bored ship captain might have," there's an abrupt edit on the soundtrack.)

    A substantial amount of dialogue was cut from the picnic scene.

    The Keeper's description of Number One: "The female you call Number One has the superior mind and would produce highly intelligent children. Although she seems to lack emotion, this is largely a pretense. She has often has fantasies involving you."

    No doubt some of that stuff was cut to satisfy the network censors.
     
  16. Ssosmcin

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    The restored version on the DVD and Blu-Rays are both missing the line from Pike "you were like a wild little animal" during the picnic scene. It is on the unrestored version, however.

    The Blu-Ray also has the opening shots of the Enterprise in black and white, even though the titles are in color. Even when the ship "dives" to reveal the bridge, color only comes in on the yellow square up top and the bridge scenes themselves. The DVD restored print is in full color.
     
  17. mb22

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    http://www.startrekhistory.com/cagepage.html

    Scroll down...
     
  18. BoredShipCapt'n

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    That line was actually "spoken" by the second Talosian. In the color DVD version of The Cage, it's been misattributed to the Keeper and correspondingly raised in pitch. Easy mistake to make when they don't move their lips. :lol:


    Two lines that don't appear in either the color or the color/B&W restoration:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI__mmuIsiY[/yt]
     
  19. ZapBrannigan

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    I've never heard these lines. Thanks. :bolian:
     
  20. mb22

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    Werren't those two lines in the televised "Menagerie"?
     

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