The Cage bridge.

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Rulius, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. MarsWeeps

    MarsWeeps Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    That's what I always thought every time I saw that scene - he points at someone in order to let them know he wants the next slide displayed.
     
  2. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Not if you had, say, a static star chart on one, some seismograph like zig-zag pattern on another--something general.
     
  3. GSchnitzer

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    I think some general static shots is what they *do* have.
     
  4. FormerLurker

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    He must want them all to have the warm glow of a monitor instead of the flat, lifeless printed-image look they had.
     
  5. Noname Given

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    Well, remember, they were still considering NOT using color and going Black and White for the series. The Bridge set for "The Cage was designed with that possibility in mind.

    Once the decision to go color was certain, they redesigned the color scheme to 'show off' for color TVs (NBC had a stake in RCA at the time, and selling more color TVs helped the bottom line.)
     
  6. scotpens

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    Do you have a source for that? It's news to me.

    AFAIK, Star Trek was always planned to be in color. But, at a time when less than 10% of U.S. households had color TV, the show had to look acceptable in black-and-white as well (hence the change in Spock's makeup from a reddish hue to a yellowish skin tone).
     
  7. Christopher

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    Rather, NBC was owned by RCA at the time. It was actually founded by RCA in 1926, and was owned by them until GE bought up RCA in 1986. These days it's owned by Comcast.
     
  8. Maurice

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    It's not like sets for black and white shows were all painted gray, anyway. Cinematographers and set designers and costumers were aware of what things would look like in black and white (heck there's even a kind of special yellow glass sometimes used to reduce everything to monochrome which film people would use to gauge if anything needed adjusting for B&W).
     
  9. The Old Building & Loan

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    ^Indeed...the squad car in Car 54, Where Are You? was actually red and white, because red showed up better than black, for example....
     
  10. Christopher

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    And George Reeves's Superman costume in the black-and-white episodes was actually gray and brown instead of blue and red.

    On the other hand, the Robot in Lost in Space was basically colored in grays and silvers in the first season, and had more color added in season 2 when the show went to color.
     
  11. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I honestly can't remember the last time I actually saw an image change on one of those upper monitors. When did they ever do that?

    This is in TOS itself, by the way. IIRC, the Defiant bridge in "In a Mirror, Darkly" did have the images change. But they got away with that because it was only one scene and there were no continuity issues.
     
  12. GSchnitzer

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    The only ones that come to mind are:

    The four images from Where No Man Has Gone Before (thank you, Christopher):

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    ...and the pages from Baruch Spinoza's book The Ethics (Part IV):

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    The Corbomite Maneuver:
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    Dagger of the Mind:
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    The Galileo Seven:
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    The Squire of Gothos:
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    Friday's Child:
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    And the Children Shall Lead:
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    I think a matte shot was planned for "Conscience of the King" where the bridge crew could watch the Karidian Players do Hamlet in the Ship's Theater.

    This also doesn't include static shots of Dr. Roger Corby or John Gill.

    (I hope I didn't miss any.)

     
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  13. Christopher

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    ^What about the displays of Dehner and Mitchell's files in the second pilot?
     
  14. GSchnitzer

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    Ah! Very good! Thank you. I missed those. I'll add them in.
     
  15. Noname Given

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    Just FYI - the "Friday's Child" shot you have is from the remastered version of the episode. In the original version of the episode, it was just a bright white light dot on a blue background - and the dot faded out as they were talking.
     
  16. GSchnitzer

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    Yes, I know. I didn't have a screen grab from the original non-new visual effects version available. (It's a matte shot showing movement even in the original episode.)
     
  17. Christopher

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    Wow, I never read those files on Mitchell and Dehner in detail before. It's remarkable that they actually wrote detailed entries on both characters rather than just sticking in some lorem ipsum, considering that there was no home video or HDTV and the viewers would never be able to make out a word of it. There's some fascinating background information in those, like the telepathy of the Deneb IV inhabitants.
     
  18. HarryM

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    Also used in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" to display Exo-III graphic and Roger Corby picture, this looks matted in. In "Patterns of Force" used to display John Gill but that looks rear projected.
     
  19. GSchnitzer

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    Well, we *are* looking for all the ones that were matted in and had motion. Like I said in the OP, I think Korby and Gill were just static rear projections with no movement. I think the Exo III diagram was rear projection, too. It shows up again in "The Tholian Web."
     
  20. Neopeius

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    This was a real concern after Skylab. Everything was in golden brown hues, and by the 3rd Crew, everyone was sick to death of it.

    I don't know what they've done with the I.S.S. to improve on that.

    As for Spock's hand-gesture controlled slides, if the lady was cropped out of the shot, she was never there. :) That's what editing is for.