The Borg in JJverse

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by los2188, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. The Green Mushroom

    The Green Mushroom Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 19, 2001
    United States
    Assuming that the Federation we saw in the first five seconds of the movie was the same Federation that existed before history changed, then I would have trouble believing that Kirk could defeat the Borg we all know and loved and then loathed. (I will admit that if the Borg Queen continues to become more and more decadent, then her efforts to make Kirk Locutus Model -1.0 would result in Kirk ending the collective forever and the Borg Queen carrying his baby)

    There is another option. Do we really know that much about the 23rd Century Borg? Perhaps they were significantly less technological empowered and dependent. We could, for example, have a story where the 23rd Century Borg show up after having heard about their descendants fun and games with Cochrane and then Archer to invade the Federation. Only they are far from the challenge. Instead of being a race of bionic zombies, they are just a race of zombies. Individual Borg are easy to kill. Individual (but much smaller than familiar) cubes are easy to destroy. But they can still adapt. Instead of having one cube smash 39 ships, we have one ship smash 39 cubes only to find that 300 more or coming and they are more prepared. The race is for Kirk and Spock to defeat them before they become too strong.

    Or something.
  2. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 9, 2008
    Or they could just show up because it could make for an interesting two hour film?
  3. teacock

    teacock Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    No! They must be logically and canonically enmeshed in the Trekiverse!!
  4. Jerikka Dawn

    Jerikka Dawn Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 1, 2004
    OT, but to be fair, phasers are not lasers. No, we shouldn't see the beam from a laser weapon, but that rule doesn't necessarily apply to a beam of energized particles, which is what a phaser is. Not to detract from your point though -- just saying there are better examples because we actually should see phaser beams :D
  5. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2005
    Like the time we SAW the transfer of memories from one person to another in Dax's Zhiantara?
  6. ichab

    ichab Commodore Commodore

    Jan 28, 2010
    I loved the Borg, but they don't belong in this timeline. I realize this is an alternate reality and anything can go, but I hope they stick to either races in TOS era or create new ones. If you want a scary race, how about Gorn? What could be more scary than a race of monster lizards taking over the ship?
  7. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 28, 2009
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    Seeing as how how JJ wants to make the ships huge (insert innuedo about compensating here), a cube would be the size of a small moon!
  8. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    The Gorn are the baddies in the prequel videogame (events from which will supposedly be referenced in the next movie):
  9. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2005
    And if they use that line from SW, I'll never forgive him!
  10. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Aug 22, 2002
    Terra Inlandia, Kelvin timeline
  11. Edit_XYZ

    Edit_XYZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 30, 2011
    At star's end.
    A, yes - a credible way of consistently stopping an unstoppable juggernaut, with no exploitable chinks in its armor*.
    The fact that this problem has no solution is a fatal weakness of your concept.

    *After this, the writers could take on something easier - like creating a functioning free energy device.:rommie:

    The borg can be impossible to communicate to - too different, too alien - without being unstoppable.
    We are talking about 2 very different attributes.