The Borg, a defence

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by john titor, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. JustKate

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    But it's not only a "human" perspective. Non-human races in the Trek universe don't exactly line up to join the collective, now do they?

    Volunteers, anyone? Anyone? No?

    What it is, I would say, is a perspective of species that value the individual (edit: or their species' distinctiveness or both). And in the Trek-verse, that's not just humans.
     
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  2. Sci

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    So's trying to justify the behavior of the Borg as being somehow okay. It's ludicrous to say that one does not have the right to condemn acts of aggressive war, invasion, conquest, forced mutilation, mind control, and enslavement.

    Or are you going to tell me that it's ludicrous to condemn the Holocaust, since, after all, nothing the Nazis did was immoral by their standards, only by ours, and it's unjust to apply our moral standards to all cultures?

    The most one can say about the Borg is that they are akin to wild animals: Not responsible for their own behavior, but still needing to be stopped.
     
  3. JustKate

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    ^ May I add my voice to the chorus of those who just love that smiley, Sci? Even if it does "roll its eyes."
     
  4. Sci

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    It's a pretty spiffy smiley. I'm glad I found it.
     
  5. Praetor

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    It certainly sums up this thread nicely.

    I mean, the Borg must be right since the Q or the Prophets didn't directly intervene at any point to stop them, just as how the Nazis were right since God didn't directly intervene to stop them, right? That's some pretty thin rationalization there.

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. JustKate

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    ^ For that matter, humans right here on Earth didn't intervene for a good long while. Eventually, yes, but for while there everybody tried to pretend it wasn't happening or that if anything bad happened, it was now going to stop and not go any farther. And that didn't make it right either.
     
  7. RyuRoots

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    :lol: VERY well-said, Sci! And I as well adore that smiley. I actually cracked up when I saw it. Almost as much as I crack up when I try to comprehend that someone could honestly believe the contents of john titor's posts.
     
  8. Misfit Toy

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    No more personal 'shots', please. Dial it back.
     
  9. Myasishchev

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    Nope, I hate them because First Contact made their motivations ridiculous.
     
  10. Cyke101

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    ...which would lead to their inevitable depowerment?

    (I'm just trying to unite two views, which I think is possible :) )
     
  11. Myasishchev

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    Ok, Voyager didn't exactly help.:p
     
  12. Cyke101

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    Slightly OT, but as much as I love First Contact, it did make the Borg out to have something of a vendetta or a grudge (something that no force that powerful should ever have). Voyager made it worse when it turned out that the Borg had been spending quite a number of resources going after Voyager whenever they crossed paths, too. That kind of story motivation leads to depowerment in order for our heroes to escape.

    I'm reminded of the old-school Borg, who wouldn't attack you if you didn't do anything to garner their attention, like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park or Simon Pegg and Co. trying to sneak by the zombie crowd by acting like zombies.
     
  13. Anwar

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    How? They just were using Earth as a testbed for new assimilation methods. Unless you mean the Queen, she was the result of Executive Meddling.
     
  14. hyzmarca

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    Have you ever took a child who really doesn't want to visit the doctor to get some sort of medical treatment? Ever been in a situation where it takes four or five grown men to hold a kid down so that blood can be drawn or an antibiotic injection can be given?

    It isn't exactly pretty to perform medical procedures on screaming, crying violently resisting children against their will. But it sometimes has to be done for their own good.
     
  15. RyuRoots

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    I do hope this isn't supposed to be a metaphor for Borg assimilation. Giving a child a shot for the purpose of their well-being is very different from the attempted systematic rape of every civilization in the galaxy.
     
  16. Sci

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    No, she was not. She was the result of writers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga both deciding that the Borg needed a "face," a singular character around which drama could be built.
     
  17. hyzmarca

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    It's a matter of perspective. The Borg believe that they're helping others become more perfect.
     
  18. RoJoHen

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    To a point. They believe more that they are making THEMSELVES more perfect.
     
  19. Anwar

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    Yes she was, Paramount Execs felt that the audience wouldn't be able to handle a Collective mind like the Borg as the central villain and told them to give the Borg a single villain boss to serve as the villain for audiences.

    At least we're to the point of including Moore in stuff we don't like :techman:.
     
  20. Sci

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    No, they believe that they're making THEMSELVES more perfect. They don't care about the drones they assimilate except insofar as it benefits THEM.