The 11-foot TOS Enterprise model-

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  1. Gary7

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    ^ It almost looks photoshopped. Just imagine the nacelles and how they extend away from the primary hull. It looks like they'd be sticking through the floor at this angle.
     
  2. Admiral Buzzkill

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    It's a real photo, but it's always fun on teh Intarnets when folks start talking suspiciously about Photoshopping.

    Craig Thompson

    I don't know whether the sensor dish used at the Smithsonian is the original, but the "antenna" was fabricated for the 1992 restoration and does not match the original in detail.
     
  3. Warped9

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    If I recall correctly I've seen that photo decades ago and long before Photoshop. I believe there were other shots of that date that went along with it.
     
  4. Shazam!

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    We can clear this up by looking at the pixels.
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    http://web.archive.org/web/20060703121136/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/1972Voyage.html


     
  6. Metryq

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    So, are you arguing that faked photos are impossible without Photoshop? Mind you, I'm not contending that the photo of Thompson with the Enterprise model is faked. Conversely, the advent of Photoshop (and other image editors) is not a guarantee of realism. Visit Photoshop Disasters sometime. The most extreme examples are when professional graphic artists distort the human form* or add extra limbs, etc.

    * For some really bizarre examples, see EscherGirls—women with rubber spines and other contortions.
     
  7. Warped9

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    Photographs and film have been manipulated since the beginning of both. What I meant was that that photo has been around for a very long time and quite unlikely to have been manipulated. The difference is that something like Photoshop makes such manipulation relatively easy (hell, I do it all the time for fun) but back in the day it was a lot trickier. Still if you follow the link up thread you see other shots of the ship at the same time and learn that it isn't Gary Kerr in the picture. It makes sense, too, because if it was Gary he'd be a lot older today than he actually is.

    If I recall correctly one of the most famous examples of bogus photography was of film footage purporting to show the actual sinking of the U.S.S. Maine. It was trotted out to the public as live footage yet in reality was a staged fabrication of a model kit in a tank of water.
     
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    Getting off-topic for a moment, but I don't quite see the point of that blog. It seems to be all about drawings of women in comics and manga. Of course they don't look "real." They're cartoons!
     
  10. feek61

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    Hey!! That's my site!!! lol

    Glad I was able to help and I hope you enjoyed the site. I have been working on some stuff that I will be posting over there in the future so stay tuned.
     
  11. Maurice

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    ^^^Nice collection, but you can't really copyright pictures you didn't take.
     
  12. feek61

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    ^^^
    Took care of it; thanks.
     
  13. alchemist

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    Feek61,

    I don't know how to get a hold of you, so when you get a moment please PM me. I have a high-resolution scan of a bridge graphic I want to send you.

    Dave
     
  14. ZapBrannigan

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    Hey Feek61, the link isn't working. Can you restore it for us?
     
  15. Robert Comsol

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    I second that. It contained the only still available photo proof of the original "Tail Pipe Socket" text sign sticker (below the starboard nacelle pylon).

    Bob
     
  16. feek61

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    Dave,
    Couldn't get a hold of you because I don't yet have the minimum 50 post needed to be able to PM but please email me at:

    tosgraphics69 - at - gmail.com

    I will be looking for you and if anyone else can PM Dave for me and give him my email address that would be grand.
     
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  17. feek61

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    I did get a hold of Dave so no need to PM him for me. BTW, Dave REALLY hooked me up!! Thank you Dave!!
     
  18. ZapBrannigan

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    You know how the warp nacelles are tapered, so they have a smaller diameter at the aft end?

    Question: was this a styling choice, meaning the audience was supposed to see it?

    Or was it a trick intended to create forced perspective and make the model look huge? If it was just a forced perspective feature, then you could argue that the "real" nacelle design is a straight cylinder.

    [​IMG]
     
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  19. scotpens

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    Probably both. Think of how the Enterprise's nacelles would look if they were simple cylinders with a constant diameter. They'd look clunky and tail-heavy.

    The full-size mockup of the Galileo shuttlecraft had a slight decrease in width from back to front for the same reasons.
     
  20. Warped9

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    Your source for that assertion? Everything I've studied about the Galileo has never indicated that.
     

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