TF: Peaceable Kingdoms by Dayton Ward Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Sho, Dec 22, 2013.


Rate Peaceable Kingdoms.

  1. Outstanding

    18 vote(s)
  2. Above Average

    37 vote(s)
  3. Average

    31 vote(s)
  4. Below Average

    5 vote(s)
  5. Poor

    1 vote(s)
  1. hbquikcomjamesl

    hbquikcomjamesl Captain Captain

    Oct 6, 2006
    Orange County, CA
    I'd put it on a par with The Poisoned Chalice, although it didn't draw me in at quite as frenetic a pace. And I liked just about everything about the ending, including the fact that the "hawk" faction was given believable motivations.
  2. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Jul 22, 2004
    Arizona, USA
    Data is coming back in The Light Fantastic.
  3. BrentMc

    BrentMc Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 4, 2006
    California U.S.A.
    I look forward to reading that one. Data is one of my favorite characters in any of the series.
  4. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

    Apr 27, 2003
    Ottawa, Canada
    Question about the Dordogne: it's described as having an "aft hatch".

    Can we assume that it's not a Danube-class runabout, then?
  5. Paris

    Paris Commodore Commodore

    Dec 29, 2008
    In the future's past
    Geordi is the second officer. I forget which book it was mentioned in, but i clearly remember Picard describing him as the second officer now, as well as being the chief engineer. Anyone remember which book it was?
  6. Paris

    Paris Commodore Commodore

    Dec 29, 2008
    In the future's past
    Like most other commentors, I enjoyed the book, but it was not my favorite of the bunch. Along with DRG3's R&D, I'd put this book in the bottom half of The Fall books. Not as gripping as the three that came before it. There were a few loose ends i would have like cleared up, like what Tom was going to do after his recuperation. But overall, not too bad. I voted average.
  7. Masiral

    Masiral Captain Captain

    Aug 30, 2013
    I'm here. Where are you?
    I'm pretty sure it was Plagues of Night, but I don't have the book with me to check.
  8. Paris

    Paris Commodore Commodore

    Dec 29, 2008
    In the future's past
    ^I think you're right. I think it was in the scene where they explained why he wasn't a Captain anymore.
  9. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    My review is up here is a portion of it.

  10. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 26, 2002
    I enjoyed listening to literary trek and all the interviews with the authors for The Fall series I really enjoyed readindg all the books in this series the last book did a great wrapping up this series.I hope we'll get another Titan and Ds9 novel dealing with the aftermath of the events and see how people are dealing with Ishan and Velk will be tried for their crimes.
  11. zarkon

    zarkon Captain Captain

    Mar 24, 2011
    Ah, that makes sense, I don't read DRG3 books anymore so I would have missed it.
  12. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    I am with you, I really want to see DS9 and Titan continue as well as furthering Ezri's story as a captain. Thanks for listening to the show!
  13. Cyfa

    Cyfa Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 9, 2013
    After having read some of the less favourable reviews in this thread before I received the book, I wasn't sure that I was going to like it. Now that I've read it, however, I really enjoyed it! Although I didn't find it as engaging as Una McCormack's Brinkmanship, for example (an excellent novel, and one of my very favourites of any genre), I think it's a very good read and a fitting end to The Fall series, and to the 24th century storyline so far.

    In particular, I loved how certain characters were shown or developed, especially the security officers Rennan Konya and Kirsten Cruzen from the Enterprise-E. It's nice to see security staff who are more than competent in their role, and in their case, bloody brilliant! The nicely "calmed down", but still singular T'Ryssa Chen was a pleasure to see again, as was Miranda Kadohata (all be it briefly) in the flashback to the Enterprise-D.
    Speaking of the flashbacks, I thought they were quite well placed and it was good to see more of Crusher and her past. I'm very pleased to hear that future novels will have some focus on the oft neglected doctor.
    Although their roles were minor, it's good to know characters like Taurik, Dina Elfiki, and Sonya Gomez are still around.

    As others have said, I'm really loooking forward to seeing how the rest of the 24th century unfolds. It's good to hear that exploration is back on the cards and that the dark days of war and political machinations may be over.
  14. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    I really agree about Chen, I think Dayton nailed her character and I hope to see her back more often. Her relationship with Picard is one of my favorites on the Enterprise these days.
  15. JeBuS

    JeBuS Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 4, 2013
    Chen is just about the only lit character on the E-E that has a unique personality at this point. It would be nice to see more of her than a few quick scenes.
  16. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    I agree with this, she reminds me a bit of early Dax in her humor. I think her relationship with Picard is something I look forward to seeing more of, they play off each other well.
  17. LutherSloan

    LutherSloan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Aug 18, 2008
    Doing the Federation's dirty work
    The problem with the entire thrust of the series (Bacco assassination) is that it comes right after we just had another assassination attempt that nearly succeeded in the 2nd Cold Equations book, which is not long before R&D. But by the end of the series, we have a Bacco-lite in office, so it's not like anything major changes because of this series. The main consequence is Bashir going on trial and the Andorian situation being concluded. Also Riker is an admiral for now, but that could change by the end of this upcoming Titan book for all we know.

    I agree with the general consensus that this book is average at best. The pacing is weird, there are far too many flashbacks (not all of which are really that necessary), and ultimately a lot of what happens could have been added to the end of the last book. It feels kind of stretched out plot-wise after the last three books.

    The main issue is, as mentioned, the lack of tension since we already know what's going on, other than the big reveal about Ishan's identity which is also revealed early in the book. The middle chunk of the book is also pretty slow going, for the most part, bogged down with flashbacks. The reveal is also not very surprising, once the book begins.

    A lot more time could have been spent detailing the reaches of this conspiracy, something that falls by the wayside as the book progresses. We get a small mention of the Starfleet admiral who seems to be coordinating ship movements for Ishan, but he ends up doing virtually nothing in the end and never reappears.

    I wish it wasn't so anti-climatic, but it does come off like the main narrative (Crusher's relationship with the Cardassian doctor) could have been in a middle book instead of the finale, where it slows down the pacing of the story.

    As a whole, the middle three books of this series are the best of the bunch, and I would put them in order as follows:

    -Crimson Shadow
    -Ceremony of Losses
    -Poisoned Chalice
    -Peaceable Kingdoms
    -Revelation and Dust

    The first one does an excellent job of establishing great tension, good characterization, and good world-building. We get a great idea of what things are like on Cardassia for average citizens a decade after the Dominion War, and the various political struggles in their society. Garak is again a great character when written well, as he is here.

    Ceremony of Losses keeps up the tension for about half of the book as everyone tries to find Bashir before he can help the Andorians, and it's a well written chase with a mix of politics. Not quite as good as Crimson, but very close.

    Poisoned Chalice focuses more on the political intrigue/espionage angle than the other four books, and does it pretty well. The Titan crew and others (like Nog) get a lot to do, and bringing back Tom Riker works well. It's not quite as well paced as the first two books I mentioned, but it executes well what it sets out to do.

    Revelation and Dust is the biggest disappointment. It's very scattershot, devoting half of its pages to a very draggy Kira plot that really needed to be in a different novel. I found myself skipping through those parts pretty quickly as I wanted to get back to the current narrative. The other half of the book is OK, but the actual plot it contains is very small. We just really have the lead up to the assassination, and the early aftermath that leads into the rest of the series. The repeated problem is that a lot of the book exists solely to set up future DS9 plots (I guess), with the Odo stuff, Sisko going into the Gamma Quadrant again, and whatever's going on with Kira. I'm looking forward to seeing where the Odo stuff goes, since we don't have a great idea (other than in the DS9 Typhon Pact 2 parter) what's been going on in the Dominion since the events of Worlds of DS9.

    Overall I would give the series a B-, as the bookends of the series are very flawed and take away from the core three books. It also didn't bring major changes to the ST universe like Destiny did.
  18. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    To me, the series seemed like it could have been told just as easily in a trilogy rather than being stretched out into a pentalogy. Kira's story aside (which appeared to be setting up future DS9 novels and probably could have been reserved for those), I felt like the pertinent parts of Revelation and Dust could have happened in The Crimson Shadow, while the revelation of Ishan's true nature that we got in Peaceable Kingdoms could have just as easily occurred in The Poisoned Chalice instead. There were three really good novels stuck in between two others which, while well written (particularly in R&D's case), didn't feel particularly necessary.

    As for how I'd rank the series:

    1. A Ceremony of Losses
    2. The Crimson Shadow
    3. The Poisoned Chalice
    4. Revelation and Dust
    5. Peaceable Kingdoms
  19. Nob Akimoto

    Nob Akimoto Captain Captain

    May 22, 2001
    The People's Republic of Austin
    So thinking about it a bit more...

    Am I the only one who felt like the reveal of Phillipa Louvois being the Attorney General of the Federation is a bit too "Small Universe"? I mean I guess it's cute, but the only major attorney/JAG character we see in the show ends up being the chief prosecutor of the UFP?
  20. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Maybe so, but would a random, previously unknown character have made as much of an impact on you? I thought it was a neat moment.