Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by nx1701g, May 19, 2009.

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Grade "Terminator Salvation"

  1. "I'll be back!" (Excellent)

    31 vote(s)
    16.5%
  2. "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    61 vote(s)
    32.4%
  3. "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    50 vote(s)
    26.6%
  4. "If we stay this course we are dead! We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    26 vote(s)
    13.8%
  5. "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    20 vote(s)
    10.6%
  1. ManOnTheWave

    ManOnTheWave Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Okay. Saw it last night. Largely lifeless perfomances. Christian Bale phones it in, which is funny considering how passionate he was about not wanting to blow his key scene. Marcus Wright's accent changes from scene to scene. Michael Ironside was pretty underused. Anton Yelchin was the best actor in the film. The highlight of the film was cgi Arnie whose appearance was the best and probably only really good action scene in the film. In general, the cgi work was very impressive. It's not a horrible film, but if pressed for a verdict, I'd say "rental."

    In the last scene, he kind of does look and sound like Micahel Biehn.
     
  2. Othello

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    Looks like the poll reults here confirm my suspicions of this movie. Glad i stayed away. Did the same thing with Wolverine. And Trek was WAYY overhyped. Seems the movies this month are subpar overall even if Trek was a bit above average.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Having just seen Salvation, I have to say I enjoyed it. While it may not be epically Awesome(!!!) it is a reasonably entertaining movie that was enjoyable to watch, had some really cool stuff in it, and held my interest a lot more than a certain other sci-fi movie released this month with an actor from this movie in it.

    I give it an 8 out of 10.
     
  4. nx1701g

    nx1701g Admiral Admiral

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    As I said earlier this is either a movie people love or people hate.

    Marcus being a Terminator housing the full memories of a living person (Cameron houses Allison Young's full memories).
     
  5. DarthPipes

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    Marcus was definitely a ten times more engaging character than John. The John Connor character wasn't bad but you really don't get a good look at this character in this one. You feel his people are following him because he can win (a good enough reason of course) but not because there's any great love for him. Not that they hate him but he doesn't exactly inspire greatness and charisma.
     
  6. nx1701g

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    The T-1000 will be visited in the next film.

    Will involve John Connor encountering a research scientist working on the formula for the T-1000's intellimetal. They're trying to arrange for Robert Patrick to cameo as the Doctor.
     
  7. nx1701g

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    The scene between Connor and Kate.
     
  8. Talosian

    Talosian Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Between this and the thread where you proclaim your appreciation of Nemesis, you have definitely destroyed your credibility when it comes to Trek XI criticism.
     
  9. nx1701g

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    I never meant to imply that comics should be relevant to a film, but I was just saying the Resistance having an Air Force is not original to this film. Actually aspects of the comics - the Resistance HQ being on a submarine, the Air Force, Terminators like Marcus Wright (and Cameron from TSCC) - comes from comics.
     
  10. Daneel

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    Saw it this afternoon... I'd have to say it was decidedly average. It's a fun ride --a solidly entertaining action film/special effects extravaganza-- but I wasn't terribly invested in the story or the characters.

    Christian Bale was serviceable as John Connor, but I don't think his character was explored to full potential. It would have been nice if we'd seen more of his personal side, i.e. his relationship with his wife, his memories of his mother... they were only touched upon briefly. It felt like most of the time he was just present to move the plot and action along.

    Kate Connor was barely there... a waste of Bryce Dallas Howard's talents.

    Marcus was a more interesting character. I would have liked to have learned more about him (like precisely what he did to be imprisoned and sentenced to execution at the beginning of the film), but he was fairly compelling regardless. It might have been better if we'd seen more of a conflict in him towards the end (between the man and the machine) though. I also liked his relationship with Blair... it was certainly more effective than John and Kate's relationship.

    I must admit, when I first heard that Anton Yelchin had been cast as Kyle Reese, I was a bit skeptical -- but I have to say, he pulled it off. I actually bought him as a younger version of Michael Biehn's character, and he did very well in the part.

    Arnold's "cameo" was fun -- in fact, a few people in my theatre applauded when he appeared. Not necessary, but a nice little touch.

    BTW, what was up with the changes to Sarah's "Should I tell you about your father" message? Are we supposed to believe she recorded over the original one she made at the end of The Terminator and added some more info?

    The film didn't really explore the unique relationship between John and Kyle as much as it could have. I mean, here we have this guy meeting his father, who's actually younger than him, for the first time, but not much was made of this. I understand he can't tell Reese the truth, but I think it should have visibly affected John more than we saw, despite their limited screentime together. Maybe they're planning to do this in another sequel.

    The ending was... predictable. Marcus' sacrifice was reasonably touching (although it might have been more powerful if we'd seen more examples of his supposedly immoral behaviour and/or an internal struggle with the cybernetic parts of himself), but I could see it coming a mile away. The original ending --with John dying and Marcus donning his skin to take his place-- would have been more daring and provocative. I kind of wish they'd stuck with it (provided they eliminated the ultra-dark "everybody dies" part, which was also one of the original ideas).

    Ultimately, it's your standard summer blockbuster: entertaining, but lacking in substance. It's no classic like the first two films, but I'd put it about on par with T3 as a decent actioner.
     
  11. nx1701g

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    Marcus murdered a police officer - no I am not making that up it was from the script, its in the novel, and it was in a scene of the film when I saw it (don't know if it was edited out or not). It was never said though if it was an accident or intentional.
     
  12. Trekker4747

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    Going to this tomorrow night.
     
  13. Daneel

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    IIRC, he said that his brother and 2(?) other people were dead because of him, but he doesn't really go into any specifics about it. If there were more details given at some point in the film, I must have missed them.
     
  14. nx1701g

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    I do remember that part as well, or something to that effect, but I think that when I saw it I saw a longer cut. I'm not going to actually see the theatrical version until over the weekend because I ended up having a meeting today.
     
  15. Emh

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    Then you didn't read a number of reviews in this thread, mine included.
     
  16. Colonel Green

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    It was just that one scene in the prison cell with the doctor w/ cancer. He said something to the effect of "because of me, my brother and two police officers are dead".

    Anyway, I thought it was alright, a standard action movie.

    Skynet should really remove the "sadism chip" from their Terminators though. I lost track of the number of times a robot batted or threw someone across the room when they could have EASILY just torn them in two or broken their neck.

    Same deal with the waterbots. They can bust through the bottom of a chopper and it's control panel, but a human being can hold one back with his bare hands?
     
  17. QuasarVM

    QuasarVM Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Just got back from seeing it and I LOVED IT!!! EXCELLENT MOVIE!!!
    The action was good, the story was GREAT and I thought Christian Bale as John Connor was GREAT!!!

    Don't overanalyze the action or the technology -- it's...A...MOO-VIE! Not a technical manual or lesson on physics or engineering.

    If you go in with an open mind and just want to be entertained -- I don't think you'll leave the theater disappointed.

    This movie is DEFINITELY better than T3 -- a movie that almost killed my interest in Terminator films or anything else.

    From what I understand, this is the first movie in a planned trilogy -- so, noooo, we aren't going to get all there is to John Connor in this first movie. I am sure they are trying to spread his development out across the three planned films.
     
  18. DarthPipes

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    Yeah, we didn't go too much into detail about his crime other than his brother and two cops were dead. My thought was that him and his brother were probably involved in a robbery gone bad.

    BTW, have you ever seen a more humorless summer blockbuster than Terminator Salvation? I know this is a bleak story about bleak people in a bleak future for humanity but come on guys, you're not doing Hamlet. Crack a joke once in a while. It was like a fanboy who can't stand humor was writing it.
     
  19. davejames

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    I agree both movies could have used slightly stronger plots... but at the same time, there's a huge danger of these kinds of genre movies becoming way too leaden and plot-heavy (the SW prequels and Matrix sequels being the clearest examples).

    Personally I think we need more scifi flicks like Trek (and the original SW) that are fun and breezy and don't take themselves so damn seriously.
     
  20. JacksonArcher

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    I agree. I think investing $200 million in an uber serious sci-fi flick is very risky and often doesn't work well. That's why I'm looking forward to Moon, the sci-fi flick starring Sam Rockwell. It's low budget, high concept, and I think that's where you can find the most interesting science-fiction in the medium of film -- not have to worry about pandering to the regular audience member, allowing you the leeway to tell an interesting, thought-provoking story.

    That's not to say that I think big-budget sci-fi flicks are a bad idea, but I rarely see one that actually works. I'm all for one that can successfully mix big ideas and the grandiose splendor of a blockbuster, but I've yet to see one that has.