Discussion in 'Stargate' started by Fruitcake, Oct 7, 2012.
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I'm thinking the episode's physics and engineering won't stand up to much scrutiny, so best not to scrutinize it too much.
It's one of those stories where you have a very good dramatic idea and have to bend the established physics to make it work.
If Tea'lc had dug a little foxhole he would've had a way to sit behind the gate when it Kawooshed, so he could've gotten all the air he wanted - or, they could've just started blasting with lasers or any other weapon from the gateroom until all the overburden had fallen back toward an open wormhole, etc, etc.
One thing that's always puzzled me is why they didn't make an incoming and outgoing wormhole look <i>slightly</i> different (maybe a different color?) so it would be obvious which was which. You think they'd have had a few oopsies where someone accidentally walked into an incoming wormhole.
Well, yes and no. When originally aired, the first five seasons used the opening credits which were based on the original Stargate movie (featuring the "cross-eyed Pharoh"). When the series went into syndication, a new credits sequence for the first five seasons was created (consisting of a collection of clips from season 1 episodes).
For DVD, the cross-eyed Pharoh was used for Children of the Gods, but every episode after had the syndication opening, until Nemesis where for some reason they returned to the cross-eyed Pharoh and kept that on the DVDs of seasons 4 and 5.
I prefer to think of it as the "sideways flush."
Season 4 begins!
Small Victories: This was interesting enough, better than part one.
There were special new developments!
Janet Frasier puts her hair up and wow is this a great look for her. Long may it continue.
And Carter's hair goes a bit longer and disheveled, probably won't stay that way but it sure is cute.
The replicators are about 1/10nth as interesting as the Goa'uld, hopefully they don't take over the whole series.
And this great quote cracked me up..
"The O'Neill was supposed to be our last great hope."
I wouldn't say they do, though they do put in several more (major) appearances – before (IMHO) going completely off the rails in a later season. Though if you dislike them as they are now, you may quite enjoy what happens. And I think that's all I should spoil about that.
I do think the replicators are way, way better antagonists than the Goa'uld. They let the writers do what they do best, which is pit our favorite team against a seemingly unstoppable impersonal force. There's no pretense of culture or characterization, the two big weak spots of pretty much all the major bad guys across all three series. Plus they're essentially what the Borg were originally conceived as but were prevented from being due to budgetary constraints, and it was nice to see that play out on TV finally, even if it was part of a different franchise. It's satisfying that VFX technology had progressed far enough to make swarms to technology-consuming hive-minded insects practical for a weekly series.
teacock clearly said no spoilers
Whereas you can mention that the Replicators started as a single advanced prototype built by the Lego Corporation, originally intended to attack toys built by Mattel and Hasbro, which got stuck in the Asgard's Ida galaxy after it lost an extended battle with Buzz Lightyear, Slinky, and Mr. Potato Head.
Stargate SG-1 skipped over that part of the Replicator backstory because of numerous, complicated, and intertwined copyright issues involving Pixar and most of the major toy companies.
But rest assured, when Samantha Carter looks at replicator blocks under a microscope she see's the number "0937" on all of them. She just can't figure out what it means.
The whole time I'm watching the Replicators I'm thinking "lego".
I just kept thinking 'Lost In Space spiders!' (not sure why now)
I thought they were boring too, until they got interesting when
they became lego people
I like the tragic Goa'ud.
The Other Side: Even Odo couldn't raise this one above a bog standard Trek ep about superior ethics. Worst of all we end up knowing nothing! How did the (presumably) cloners come about? Were they created by the breeders? And if they SG1 were so keen to find a planet to evacuate thousands of cloners to why didn't they bother offering the same to the breeders?
It was just bleh. Oh they started this war so we have to leave in hurry and not take their tainted tech. If they care that much about how a war began why did they just swallow the first story they got told?
And WHY did they leave Odo behind? He offered to teach them what he knew to save his life yet they would rather he die and his tech with him. Silly.
(LOL I think this must be the most negative commentary I've given so far)
Yep. That's an episode I usually skip on a rewatch, and you nailed all the reasons.
I really liked Carter's eyes at the end, when she was standing in the gate room staring disbelievingly at O'Neill.
Crossroads: Now wait a goddam minute. What happened to Teal'c's sorta wife? The mother of his kid? Wasn't there some kind of renewed love expressed before he popped her off to some planet he visits? And then an ex-girlfriend shows up and he's not only GLOWING (and that's quite a sight) but emerging from her room in the morning after last being seen there in the evening. And then he glows and grins and beams right up until she drops dead.
Have I missed something, has Teal'c been available all this time? Not that I want him to be, he's extremely unappealing and anyone who tells me there is Carter/Teal'c fic will suffer my wrath. But still, wth is going on?
Oh wait, I just realized I've watched these out of order. Stupid circular menu option, so complex! So maybe Teal'c's wife dumped him in the previous ep.
And now to more important things.
Look at this beautiful gold eyeshadow Shan'auc has, wouldn't it be great if everyone was just swanning around in this kind of thing all the time? Why is earth fashion so pedestrian..
And, Oh Dear.. we seem to have unevenly injected our lips.
There's nothing worse than not being able to take your eyes off an actress's ridiculously pumped up lips. It's distracting.
This was a fantastic episode. Tragic, intriguing and leaving a huge storyline waiting for future eps, something that Stargate does really well. Not direct arcs so much as revealing new developments and picking them up when the time is right.
The Goa'uld deviousness is a little breathtaking. The symbiont must have realized as Shan'auc continued to try and contact it that this could be used to the Goa'uld advantage and begun a long seduction. Poor Shan'auc, to be calling this creature child believing they were working together
O'Neill seems to be getting more and more rash. Like, he no longer gives a shit so he's just going for it.
And now I have a question. What is the deal with Teal'c jaw/cheeks trembling like there's butterflies wedged into them? Is he grinding his teeth?
I believe he is eating btterflies.
The pouty lipped Tok'ra is introduced in the episode you missed. The director's commentaries mention that she was an attempt to try a Seven of Nine to see if it would do anything to the ratings, but it didn't quite work out for reason's you've already discerned.
I like The Other Side quite a bit because it signifies a major shift within SG-1. So far, the dynamics were quite well balanced, but at the lastest with this episode Daniel takes some sort of back seat to all the military points of view (and of course, to advance the Jack/Sam-ship).
Of course, Odo could have been an asset, but it's a question of whether the end justifies the means. He *is* after all someone who perpetrated genocide - so is it right to use the technology that was developed in order to commit that genocide?
BTW, there are Carter/Teal'c-fics out there. *g*
Technology itself is neutral.
I've already decided Teal'c's perfect pairing is Lya.
So, these people who write such things are wrong.
Upgrade: Everyone turns into Spiderman and they love it. The Tokra are further revealed to be manipulating the humans. What we don't find out is whether they retain the knowledge of the books they read an lighting fast speed and we also don't find out what the deal is with Teal'c's sorta wife!
Carter was quite shaggy in this ep and it suits her.
I wish they'd kept Anise. I think most people on GW were disappointed that we could have had her as a regular but didn't.
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