Taylor Swift, Why The Hate?

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Taylirious, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. JayOwl

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    I don't care much for a lot of her 'breakup songs' lyrics, but they're easily bearable- much better than painfully obvious innuendos. She's actually one of the few really popular female pop artists I like at the moment, meaning I prefer her (along with Kelly Clarkson) to Katy Perry, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Rita Ora, etc by a huge margin. I haven't really noticed much hate although what I have seen seems to only be since "Red" (where she adopted a more 'poppy' sound on some songs).
     
  2. Mr. Adventure

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  3. Squiggy

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    I'm waiting for that for different reasons.
     
  4. Kestrel

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    So say we all. :lol:
     
  5. Taylirious

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    Wow...You mad bro? :guffaw: This is too much.

    Anyway...I didn't care for "22" when I heard it months ago but I have to say I love the video...looks like so much fun! :bolian:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgFeZr5ptV8[/yt]

    Taylor Swift "22"

    :)
     
  6. HaventGotALife

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    God, that's a Justin Bieber song! I bet he doesn't get 185 award nominations for it, either. That is horrible music!
     
  7. The Mirrorball Man

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    That's a bit of an overreaction. What did you expect? It's disposable pop with a melody that you can hum and above-average lyrics. It's very vanilla, but then, you don't aim for the teen/tween audience by being edgy and hip.
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    So now she has a song out about being 22, and just a few years ago she had one about being 15. So it's not just ex-boyfriends, she also sings repeatedly about what each age is like.
     
  9. The Mirrorball Man

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    Everyone does that:
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq-Tm8SkW18[/yt]
     
  10. The Wormhole

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    But does The Cure have another song about being another age? If they do, I conceed the point.
     
  11. HaventGotALife

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    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7b42MEYzBE[/yt][yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRRhiA8WrA[/yt]
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lq3th89P3M[/yt][yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f0p5KqdU9U[/yt]
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngHkbz8wTuk[/yt][yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do32g82qilk[/yt]
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVEBZLrjpw4[/yt][yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJqUN9TClM[/yt]
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Yg9wjctRw[/yt][yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGPmbu3QNk[/yt]

    This is country music. Organic instruments. An adult subject matter, sometimes with a message. People who can sing. Good lyrics. Voice in the lyrics. We need to raise our standards of good music. And I am sorry if it took awhile for it to load, but if you do listen to these songs, I promise you'll understand my complaints. 21 million dollars for teenage love. You can get that anywhere. The awards are ridiculous.
     
  12. Kestrel

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    I'm sorry, but... "If I Die Young," really? I mean, I like The Band Perry just fine - they're from an hour away (and Kenny Chesney from even closer) and are fun to listen to, but... they're no less fluffy than Taylor overall. The Nashville Sound is good for what it is, but except for a little more twang and a less electric sound some of that is just as poppy as Swift's stuff. Where's the alcoholism, the economic misery, the death and blood, the drugs, the violence?

    Or, to give some better examples, we'll start with Taylor herself and a better Brad Paisley example. ;)

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdNG_ebbTg[/yt]

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gV3g9LCvPc[/yt]

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TXNSipWUiE[/yt]

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugXkgd_-84[/yt]


    :p
     
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  13. Mr. Adventure

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    I'd rather listen to Taylor than Rucker, Rascal Flatts or any song where Jason Aldean "raps". The thing is there's a place for everything, I've heard a couple of catchy songs by Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and the like. I know it's frustrating sometimes when "real" musicians have trouble making it but I don't begrudge these things.
     
  14. HaventGotALife

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    ^^^This was written in collaboration with T-Bone and The Civil Wars. It's not Taylor's. It sounds like a Civil Wars song. Example:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGwnFz_5xRE[/yt]

    Country music doesn't have to be a downer. If that's your taste, fine. Happy doesn't equate "without merit." Not everything I posted was traditional, but I did post some traditional stuff. I also posted some rock, some bluegrass. I also don't understand--Gunpowder and Lead? Two Black Cadillacs? Who said there's no death?

    I would argue with "The Band Perry" being pop. This song, the arrangement and instrument choices on "All Your Life," etc. Popular does not equal without merit, either. Something doesn't have to be obscure to be considered country. And the reason that I posted it was really about the lyrics and the fact there's a different character in the song. It's told from the position of being young without having to sound like every other pop song.
     
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  15. Mr. Adventure

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    Not to get too argumentative but most of your examples were written by other people as well if not originally performed by other people. Most country music is.
     
  16. HaventGotALife

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    I don't mean to argue with you either, but that wasn't the point. The point is that she has been lauded for her songwriting, given awards for it. The ONE song that sounds like something worthwhile is written and performed with people she doesn't usually collaborate with, and it has a distinctive style that belongs to another artist she collaborated with. It is different than just about everything else she has done--the lyrics, vocals, etc. And I would argue that it's not a strong vocal performance, either. Unless I am a better singer in the shower than I thought. Still, my examples aren't exactly playing to the rafters, most country music doesn't (with the exception of an artist like Carrie Underwood, who writes most of her songs).

    It is not a fair assessment of her style of music. I would argue that people who perform a song and don't write are not given credit for doing the writing on a song. She is given credit, and, therefore, it is fair game to compare it to other compositions of hers.
     
  17. Mr. Adventure

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    Ah, got you, I guess it would help if I gave shit about awards.
     
  18. Captain Nebula

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    Some people don't have a life and have all the time in the world to complain.

    Their loss if they want to take the time to complain about something instead of taking the time to enjoy something.

    Also, welcome to the Internet.
     
  19. Kestrel

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    I know. ;) But whatever role she played in its creation, she's still a part of the song and it's easily imo her best work. We'll have to agree to disagree on her vocals there though. I think it's excellent. :p

    I agree! Happy and being popular don't equate without merit! Hence why I don't get your denouncing Swift's stuff; I mean, aside from making fun of her for being young? Also fair point about the Underwood and Lambert songs. You were going on about the "purity" of their instruments though and how adult their themes were, so I figured I'd go further with that. :p

    And a melodramatic "You don't appreciate me now, but you will when I'm gone... and it'd be awesome to have a boy before I die" sounds like a pretty common theme for a young person. ;)
     
  20. Taylirious

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    Sometimes I forget!

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    ETA: The internet being what it is, I don't get hating on something Vs enjoying something, there are plenty of things I don't like but I'd rather spend the time and energy on stuff I like/love/enjoy. :)
     
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