T.W.O.K vs STID

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Infern0, Oct 13, 2013.

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  1. I prefer the Wrath of Khan

    110 vote(s)
    72.4%
  2. I Prefer Into Darkness

    17 vote(s)
    11.2%
  3. I like them both the same

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    16.4%
  1. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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    pfegh. The juvenile "romance" as depicted in nuTrek is about as sophisticated as Saved by the Bell. Of all the contrasts between TWOK and this last film, that characters' maturity - not age - in their interactions with each other is the most striking.
    There's more pain and pathos in the lines "I did what you wanted: I stayed away." than in anything NuTrek has come up with, and it managed not to rape the characters in the process.
     
  2. Noname Given

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    Except given that Kirk and Spock ARE younger in STiD means they DON'T have the life experience Kirk and Spock do in TWoK; so it's apples to oranges.

    Plus Trek has NEVER handled romantic relationships well, EVER.:)
     
  3. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    These two seemed to work out alright relationship wise.

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    And what about the first Captain of the USS Enterprise?

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    Also, TWOK for all the reasons posted. Plus when it comes to a big battle between the good guys and the bad guys, the low budget TWOK went with an epic space battle in the beautiful Mutara Nebula, where as the big budgeted STID had it's climactic battle be a first fight on Earth.
     
  4. BigJake

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    Or maybe just another reason why it was overreaching to try putting the later film in the same frame as the former.

    Marcus and Kirk's former-romance in TWOK was really about as good as it got.
     
  5. R. Star

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    Kinda sad when someone cites an off screen romance as good as it got. ;)

    But Trek has always handled relationships in a rather juvenile fashion. Either they just act fundamentally silly, go on about how they're having sex without actually saying it directly, or both for the most part.

    Kassidy and Sisko were believable.. but also kinda bland as a couple. And how that relationship survived her being a smuggler for terrorists is beyond me. It wasn't even brought up, also odd considering how berserk and nuts Sisko went over the Maquis.
     
  6. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

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    I like both movies, but for me it's STiD any day.
     
  7. DalekJim

    DalekJim Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Acting like a military professional would be less annoying than being Spock's clingy, petulant girlfriend. It would also grant more screentime to McCoy, who is obviously a more interesting character in every respect.
     
  8. 22 Stars

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    Can we have a Mod put this in General Trek now?
     
  9. R. Star

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    Why? I'm sure if you put this poll over on the NuTrek board ID would win.. internet polls are like that.
     
  10. Peach Wookiee

    Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Moderator

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    To GTD this goes.
     
  11. Bry_Sinclair

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    Totally agree. McCoy is a better character, played by a better actor, who is a core element to Star Trek and has been pushed out to the side to make room for NuUhura.

    As for "not liking relationship drama", I have no problems with characters having romantic/physical/whatever kind of relationships, but when that sole "development" is all they've used to prop up a female character to give her more screen time it shows a lack of ability to develop her in her own right--instead she is mainly defined as being "Spock's girlfriend" (and the less said about how she used that relationship to get a better position the better).

    Compare the likes of NuUhura with Saavik from TWOK. Saavik was a confident and forthright young woman, intelligent, ambitious and obviously filled with potential--willing to stand up to Admiral Kirk whilst also willing to turn and ask advice and support from her mentor--whilst also being honest and sought to grow and develop her skills. Despite her Vulcan roots she, at times, showed difficulty in controlling the more powerful of her emotions (her grief was palpable at Spock's funeral). True she did manipulate the situation to provide armed escort to Kirk and McCoy, but that is only logical (she however made it onto the Enterprise on her own merits to begin with). They managed to do all that with a well written script, none of which had her whinging after or pining over a man, and a solid performance (where the actress remained fully clothed as well).
     
  12. Bad Thoughts

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    Yes, JJTrek does a few things well. However, STID is very unbalanced.
     
  13. BillJ

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    I'm not a person that cares for "relationship drama" in Star Trek, but thought Into Darkness pulled off Spock/Uhura in a fairly believable manner from my perspective and I say that as someone who wasn't fond of the coupling in the 2009 film.

    Reminded me of my wife and I who usually bicker at the most inappropriate times.
     
  14. dub

    dub Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It's a new Star Trek for a more clingy, petulant generation. :lol:

    Well the joke's on me because although I haven't been able to bring myself to watch STID again after my first viewing experience (a first for me with any Trek film), the Spock+Uhura relationship is one of the things I actually liked about the new movies.
     
  15. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    glad that's over.
     
  16. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    ya guys. the themes are like.. SPOT ON. so we can just ignore all the other numerous problems.
     
  17. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    the only thing this lady is good at is bashing Uhura. she MUST be a racist.
     
  18. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    ya guys. the themes were like... SPOT ON. so we can just ignore the numerous amount of other problems with the film.
     
  19. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    sorry for the double post, dude. im not trying to over-hate on your opinions. or am I...................................:)
     
  20. ChowdaHead

    ChowdaHead Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    really, my internet is hell today.