Sylvester McCoy as Radagast the Brown in 'The Hobbit'

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  1. Chris3123

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    Radagast on Lord of the Rings Wiki

    I'm not the least bit familiar with the character (I read the book once, a long time ago), but McCoy looks great. This will be my first time seeing him in anything other than Doctor Who.
     
  2. Mr. Adventure

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    I guess Peter Jackson is going to direct Doctor Who. They need to work some spoons in there somehow.
     
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    Or the nail trick...

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  4. Captaindemotion

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    He looks really unrecognisable. They seem to have given him a prosthetic nose, just like they did with McKellen as Gandalf. Wizards not only arrive precisely when they intend to, but are preceded by their noses.
     
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    He's in the just released Trailer too.

    It's still a shame that he didn't get to play Bilbo in the LOTR films but good on Peter Jackson for taking a character who gets a one line mention in the book and turning it into a fully fledged role for him.
     
  6. CorporalCaptain

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    For the record, according to A Guide to Middle-Earth by Robert Foster, Radagast is mentioned (and I have checked and confirmed):

    • On pages 336-337, 342, and 359 of The Fellowship of the Ring (1970's Ballantine edition)
    • On page 121 of The Hobbit (again, 1970's Ballantine edition)
    Though assuredly a minor character, a far cry from only mention on one line.

    Any word of the Blue Wizards being in the film?
     
  7. Cutter John

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    Very nice. This makes it at least 2 wizards for McCoy's career so far after the Doctor was identified as Merlin in "Battlefield."

    "I hate good wizards in fairy tales. They always turn out to be him."
    --River Song, "The Pandorica Opens"
     
  9. Emh

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    McCoy looked and sounded awesome in the trailer. I can't wait to see more. :D
     
  10. Allyn Gibson

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    The latest episode of Corey Olsen (The Tolkien Professor)'s "Riddles in the Dark" podcast has an extended discussion of Radagast and the Blue Wizards. In addition to the mentions above, Radagast is also mentioned in Unfinished Tales and The Peoples of Middle-Earth, and Olsen discusses those mentions as well.

    An appearance by the Blue Wizards Alatar and Palandro would certainly be unexpected, but it's also unlikely. I don't believe they're mentioned in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings, and that would put them beyond what Jackson has the rights for. (The Lord of the Rings Wiki gives page references in LotR to mentions of the Blue Wizards, but all those references mention are that there are five wizards, not that they are blue, and certainly not their names.)
     
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    The most details we know about Alatar and Palandro come from Tolkien's letters. I honestly don't recall any reference to them (oblique or not) in Lord of the Rings but its been awhile since I've read those books.
     
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    Thanks, I listened to the podcast, which is at http://www.mythgard.org/2012/09/riddles-in-the-dark-17-radagast-the-brown-and-the-movie-app/. It's great.

    Also, Foster's page references in The Fellowship of the Ring for Radagast are incomplete, as he is also mentioned on page 339.
     
  13. Cutter John

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    I'm sure it would be way too fannish. But its a shame they didn't think of getting Tom, Colin, and maybe even Peter in to play the other wizards.
     
  14. Mr. Adventure

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    I wonder if he'll be R-r-r-r-r-radagast.
     
  15. The Mirrorball Man

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    The Valar's "Wizard Initiative" was almost a complete failure, wasn't it? The blue wizards went native and disappeared completely, Saruman became arrogant, corrupted and ultimately, evil, Radagast spent more time talking to birds than fighting Sauron. And they had to reboot Gandalf before he worked properly.
     
  16. Mister Fandango

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    It's thought that Radagast's mission was actually successful, though that assumes that his mission was to protect the flora and fauna of the world should Sauron succeed. The same holds true for blue wizards. One thought is the reason Sauron was stepping up his plans in the west was because at least one of the blue wizards managed to take control of the dragons to the east, and Sauron needed to find a way to counter that. Hence the heavy influence of dragons in Eastern culture.

    Likewise, Gandalf didn't really fail. In fact, he sacrificed himself in order to help the mission at hand. He was "rebooted" partly as a reward for that sacrifice.
     
  17. The Mirrorball Man

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    Yeah. If you can't tell, the tone of my post was not entirely serious.

    Anyway. Other people seem to think that the Blue Wizards were sent East to find the lost Avari elves and bring them back to Valinor.
     
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    Yeah, I couldn't tell either. That's the problem with text. You've got to give clues as to tone. :)
     
  19. The Mirrorball Man

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    The "Wizard initiative" and "rebooting Gandalf" weren't clues?
     
  20. Captaindemotion

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    ^Seemed pretty clear to me.