STID's plot holes unrivaled?

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  1. YellowSubmarine

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    Didn't MythBusters confirm it that if you put a Star Trek collection at the bottom of the ocean, all the water would get drained through the plot holes?
     
  2. austen_pierce

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    :guffaw:

    No, but they DID bust Kirk's battle with the Gorn in TOS, specifically the makeshift mortar.
     
  3. OpenMaw

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    No. He was beamed to Regula One with McCoy and Saavik. Nobody on the Enterprise knew about the underground base on the planetoid. Spock, Bones, and Kirk saw the tape, yes, but it was Kirk alone who put two-and-two together when they were in the transporter room.

    So, If Khan destroys The Enterprise (remember, they haven't gotten out of jamming range by this point, so Starfleet has no freaking idea what's going on) nobody will know that Kirk is alive, or even where to look for him. Genesis was a civilian project. All the information about it was on Regula One.

    I get the point being made here people. All Star Trek movies have plot holes, even the best, but that scene with Khan is not one of them.
     
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  4. Commishsleer

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    OK I liked STID so I'm not being a hater but I really can't understand the whole business of the 72 missiles.
    1. Why would Marcus (if he knew) let the 72 other augments (possibly valuable weapons) out of his hands into Kirks? There's just too much chance IMO that Kirk isn't going to fire all 72 missiles, that Kirk's ship will be captured by the Klingons, that Khan will get access. I'm not even saying this in hindsight.
    2.Targetting - presumably these 'special' long range missiles are being used because basically the Enterprise is going to be light years away from their target. Then how are they going to aim? How can they be sure that Khan will be hit? Were they just going to hit the backside of the planet and hope for the best?
    3. When Kirk told Khan that he was going to try to capture him (why oh why would you do that?) did he just broadcastit to the entire planet. Bombard every radio station or what - can they broadcast to the wind?

    I'd appreciate any real or fanboy explanations.
    The rest of the 'plotholes' I can live with.
     
  5. OpenMaw

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    1. Marcus was banking on grief and emotion as far as Kirk was concerned.

    2. Honestly I have no idea. The torpedo thing has a lot of goofy elements to it. Scotty's whole "I CANNA LET EM DO EET CAPN CUZ I DUN NO DA FEEUELL..." Yeah, you do. You called it a Photon Torpedo. It's antimatter you mad-drunk bastard.

    3. I don't recall Kirk telling Khan he was going to capture him? Are you referring to when Sulu told him to 'surrender or we'll blow you up' ? Because i'd wager that was done a narrow-beam transmission of some sort.
     
  6. SeerSGB

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    Marcus probably wasn't overly picky about targetting. Remember, his whole goal was to piss off the Klingons enough to get a war out of them.
     
  7. Set Harth

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    They said it was a targeted transmission, for whatever that's worth.
     
  8. Awesome Possum

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    ITT: People who don't know what plot holes are and didn't pay attention to the movie.
     
  9. Maurice

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    Except weren't the fuel cells replaced by the cryotubes? How could the torpedoes gone anywhere?
     
  10. Commishsleer

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    I just don't get that Marcus would think a man who violated the Prime Directive to save a pre-Warp planet is going to fire indiscriminantly at a planet. Them going in disguise in Mudd's shuttle shows that they realised there was a possibility of Klingons being there.


    So is Marcus thinking Kirk's just so much a hothead he'll follow bad orders blindly.
     
  11. Commishsleer

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    Sorry Double Post
     
  12. Mountie1988

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    Momentum. But that would have taken years.
     
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    I don't know. Seemed like a poetic revenge to me.
     
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    Abrams didn't write the screenplay, but thanks for confirming your bias.



    You need to get over the thought that you know better than everybody else, I think.

    No, that is you PROJECTING your opinion onto others.

    Oh, my.

    We've been over this before, Shazam. Do you read other people's posts ?
     
  15. Shazam!

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    I'm fairly sure everything in this thread has 'been over before' somewhere on this board.
     
  16. Bad Thoughts

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    Didn't the engines cut out after the explosion of the torpedoes, which caused the ship to fall to Earth (not to mention that a shockwave in space would be depleted because of the lack of atmosphere, not creating anywhere near the same force, or that the Enterprise falls in manner contradictory to physics)?
     
  17. bullethead

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    They didn't have engines at that point. Spock says that they couldn't run around the time Kirk decides to team up with Khan and space jump to the ship.
     
  18. Bad Thoughts

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    Spock specifically said they hadn't the power to flee. Not being able to run is not the same thing as having no engines with which to stabilize their orbit. Starships have three types of engines: warp, impulse, and thrusters. (Let's ignore for now that thrusters would require chemical propellant, not a quantum source of power.) The first two might be expected as a tool for retreat, but not the third. Their fall was brought about specifically by the loss of power: what instrument was keeping them afloat at the low altitude of 200,000 km up to that point?
     
  19. Mountie1988

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    Driver Coils. (-_-)
     
  20. M'Sharak

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    None of that needed to be dredged up again, and particularly not for purposes of taking the poster to task. Don't make it personal.

    Same applies here - it's addressing the poster instead of discussing the movie, and advances the discussion not at all.