STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by RAMA, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I've been a Trek fan since 1966.
    I've seen every TOS episode many, many times.
    I've seen Abrams's Trek films multiple times.
    STID in particular captures a good deal about TOS that previous TOS-based movies never did.
    I'm not lying.

    Therefore, your statement is flat-out 100% wrong. That's not an opinion. It's a fact.
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    Same here. ( Full disclosure, I've only seen STID once)
     
  3. Noname Given

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    You just summed up my feeling about TNG back in 1987. 'Star Trek' was/is the 23rd century for more than 20 years prior to TNG - and IMO - aside from First Contact; all the TNG feature films were borderline unwatchable and came across as horribly expensive, but bad, two hour episodes. YMMV.
     
  4. StarMan

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    Worse than Nemesis? Just goes to show how relative this all is. Even though I found STiD to be a disappointment, I would never be so cruel as to condemn it below Nemeshite. :lol:

    The stellar RT rating left no doubt in my mind I was going to enjoy the film. I posted here immediately afterwards, dazed and confused. I thought perhaps the stresses of the day had impeded my experience, so held off on a more conclusive judgement until a second viewing. Regrettably, the second viewing was definitive.

    So yes, I like to get some digs in after such a letdown. However, I'm not suggesting anyone else *not* enjoy the film.
     
  5. Robert_T_April

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    I've seen TOS movies and episodes continuously since I was around 12. I'm 45 now.

    I have to say that this is the first time I've seen these crewmembers this young. Not to mention, a totally new timeline, backstories (especially Kirk and Spock,) and completely different set of circumstances for Starfleet...

    The crew is 6 years younger at the start of their first deep space mission than the crew in the original timeline. So naturally, things are going to "feel" different.

    Change is good!
     
  6. throwback

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    For myself, I think I am more forgiving of a film like F6 for being a big action flick than I am of any Star Trek film. I think it is because that it wasn't the action that drew me into the franchise - it was the philosophy. And, for me, it is the philosophy that is lacking in these new films.

    JJ Abrams is on record saying that he felt that Star Trek was too philosophical for him. He has created a couple of films that adheres closer to what he is comfortable with.

    I know that people will say this film was about drone strikes in a foreign land, but I feel that message was just as soon swept under the rug as it was announced. In F6, from the beginning, this film was about family and the lengths that the lead character played by Vin Diesel went to restoring his fractured family. We start the film with a birth and end the film with a meal shared by family and friends. (I know about the end credits scene, but that is more akin to an epilogue, than the main body of the film.)

    Now, if Star Trek had kept its message from beginning to end, I think some of us would be less harsh. Instead, the film fractures into an A Plot (the crazy Admiral attempting to start a war) and a B Plot (Khan attempting to get his crew from that same Admiral with the third act a copy-and-paste with modifiers of TWOK's last act). Why couldn't the film have a simple plot about a Section 31 agent, for he feels that the Admiral is violating the principles that the agent believed that the agency represented when he or she signed up, turning against the Admiral, and needing the protection of Kirk's crew from the Admiral? Kill the Khan plot. Make a Star Trek thriller. (I am thinking of what has recently happened with the NSA revelations.)

    The comics set up threads that could have been explored in this film. Sulu was considered a candidate for S31, and Kirk stumbled into a plot hatched by S31, and Pike was warned to keep his protege on a tight leash. Sulu could have used this history to infiltrate S31 to get the truth. And Kirk could have stumbled unto a top secret mission, which would start the film off.

    I know this is hindsight; however, I feel the film had potential if it had focused on its message and created a new believable villain. Khan, I feel, is a niche villain who doesn't have the broad appeal of other named villains.
     
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  7. M.A.C.O.

    M.A.C.O. Commodore Commodore

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    How do they rank now you think?
    TOS Khan vs TNG Shinzon vs NuTOS Nero vs NuTOS Khan
     
  8. LOKAI of CHERON

    LOKAI of CHERON Commodore Commodore

    As I'm the poster Belz... is referring to, may I precede my response by clearly stating your asinine and disparaging comment is...

    wrong, Wrong, WRONG.

    I'm a 44 year old HARDCORE TOS fan of many decades. I have seen each and every episode countless times, and STID on six occasions currently. I have no problem with your (minority) opinion on Bad Robot Trek, but to post something so absurd is not only insulting, but borders on plain trolling IMHO.
     
  9. M'Sharak

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    Two things to say regarding that:
    A) You're wrong.
    B) Unless you have some pretty solid evidence demonstrating that anyone here is, in fact, lying about whatever, you'd do well not to accuse anyone of lying. (And in the event you do happen to have conclusive evidence, you really ought to find some other way of presenting it than an accusation of lying.)
     
  10. Roald

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    STID at times feels more like TOS, than *any* ST that has been made post 1969... It's my honest opinion... Those final 20 seconds where they embark on the 5 year mission... No director has ever captured that 'TOS spirit' like JJ has... And that is coming from a loooong time fan *and* member of this board...
     
  11. Therin of Andor

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    I've never seen a Michael Bay film, but I came out of ST:TMP in 1979, and Bad Robot's ST 2009 and STiD, with the same feeling of having been totally immersed in Star Trek. Even ST II and ST IV didn't quite do it for me. Maybe "First Contact" almost managed it.

    And when I caught up on TOS episodes throughout 1980 (most on the big screen at Marathon events in Sydney), I found plenty of episodes that gave me similar satisfaction.

    Bad Robot's films captured everything I loved about TMP and the best of TOS.

    Really? With Kirk suddenly hating Klingons with an intensity we never saw in STs III, IV nor V? With Chekov seemingly not knowing that a hand phaser sets off ship alarms? With Uhura not knowing any Klingon sentences? With McCoy not knowing anything about Klingon anatomy? With Kirk and McCoy being imprisoned in their Starfleet uniforms, complete with tracking device?

    Nah, not perfect to me.
     
  12. teacake

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    TUC may not be perfect but it was perfectly wonderful.
     
  13. Belz...

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    I disagree. It has a ton of potential but there's quite a few things wrong with it.

    First, it should've been Saavik. Second, the conspiracy is a bit too wide and complex. Why include the Romulan ambassador, for instance ? Why is the warden on Rura Penthe part of the conspiracy, since Chang thought Kirk would be executed ? Why is the Romulan ambassador at the secret meeting with the plan to rescue Kirk ? Etc.

    Wow, so I and others in this thread are liars, now ? Your personal opinion of this movie is supreme ? No one can possibly hold a different one ?

    Really, read slower. He said Nemesis was worse.
     
  14. teacake

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    All this bullshit happened with the 2009 movie too.

    "You're making it up! You're not real TOS fans!"

    Everyone immediately coughs up their TOS credentials. Years, money spent, times watched, love felt..

    Accuser ignores it all.

    I bet you credits to navy beans this will all happen with Star Trek XIII too. There is NO film that could ever be made that would make some people happy.
     
  15. JarodRussell

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    I keep wondering what happened to "Jeffrey Abrams" who wrote "Regarding Henry" and "Forever Young". With the name change came also a change in filmmaking style.
     
  16. MrPointy

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    After seeing the latest figures, I think STID will finish around $470-500m WW.
     
  17. Squiggy

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    To be fair, once you get down to that level...what is and what is not worse is irrelevant.
     
  18. Belz...

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    If I remember correctly, Abrams is also on record saying it was his favourite show nonetheless.
     
  19. TREK_GOD_1

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    Your opinion is incorrect in thinking Hugh Mann's observation is "100% wrong" based only on your opinion--which completely ignores the reality that there are other TOS fans (40+ years and running) who just might fit his assessment.
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    Hugh Mann said "everyone" which was 100% wrong if even one person within his criteria felt differently.