STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by RAMA, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. throwback

    throwback Captain Captain

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    Modern action-adventure films are appealing to an international audience. Iron Man 3 speaks to an international audience. Changes were made to one of the characters so as not to offend the people of one country, a country with a large reserve of money.

    According to one article, Paramount conducted focus groups across the world. These groups were asked what they wanted to see in the next film. Their response:

    (http://whatculture.com/film/star-tr...-9-point-guide-to-rebooting-a-franchise.php/2)

    {The article is snarkey, so if you aren't OK with that, don't read it.)

    I would say that the new film meets most of those points. If you are a fan of Star Trek, is that the Star Trek you want?

    I have observed that people can adjust to changes, if the changes are gradual. A major issue with the first film by JJ Abrams is that the changes weren't gradual - they were sudden and immediate. I remember as a kid being introduced to my dad's stepfamily when I was visiting him. I was expected on the first day that I met these new people to take on the role of a brother to a stepbrother and a stepsister I didn't know previously. I was resistance to the change. However, if the change was gradual, I might have acted differently. JJ Abrams could have introduced his vision of Star Trek with minor changes, and, once we had become comfortable with those changes, make a bolder statement with the second film.
     
  2. Vyse

    Vyse Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Keep in mind the way people see movies has changed dramatically since the 1980s. I know a lot of people who never step foot in a movie theater these days. With the excellent home entertainment systems you can buy now, a lot of people will simply choose to wait for the Blu-Ray release.
     
  3. throwback

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    Well, it's cheaper to see a movie at home and you can choose who you see the movie with.
     
  4. Flake

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    I would say STID is more 'Star Trek' than ST09 personally. All the in-jokes and references that only the fans would get.

    Yes there is action but I don't think its relentless and non-stop and it does not overshadow and detract from character interactions, it compliments them and moves the story along.

    I realise that Paramount were told to get away from the 'Trekness' of it by international audiences but I think that was ignored completely by Abrams and they went MORE Trek. The difference was in the marketing. Paramount marketed the action and destruction just like the focus groups wanted. All they needed is action and destruction to throw in the trailers to market the movie more effectively overseas and they got it.

    Its just a new producer that is doing things differently and has brought with him his own unique look and style that is new and fresh and just what we needed. This has happened before in the Star Trek franchise!

    I would say Trek has fundamentally changed itself on a number of occasions under different producers. Roddenberry on TOS and then TMP. Bennett from TWOK to TUC. Roddenberry again changed everything on TNG. Berman made DS9. Enterprise again was a change in styles and era etc. Now we have Abrams. I think it is a refreshing new angle but I have some trouble with the writing which I will get over eventually ;)

    Changes in the look and style and production of Star Trek from the sets to the ships to the stories have occurred:

    TOS > TMP > TWOK > TNG > DS9 > ENT > ST09

    So it has re-invented itself 7 times with 5 different producers.
     
  5. DarKush

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    I've long thought the same thing. I thought after the success of 2009 Trek that they should've put an animated series out there to keep those new, younger fans interested and reel more in.
     
  6. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

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    Trek does need some more younger fans. I got into the franchise as a child, in the 90s, during the Berman era, but I was probably a minority.

    Another animated series is a great idea. It should happen.

    Seeing this movie sitting there, not even at 300 million after three weeks of release (internationally), is increasingly frustrating.

    I am wondering where all the Star Wars fans, eager to see how their new overlord fares with sci fi, are
     
  7. Borgminister

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    Watching Fast and Furious and Iron Man.
     
  8. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Well, as long as they show DS9 I'm good :p

    (they DON'T show it now.... the bastadges :scream:)
     
  9. indranee

    indranee Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Berman didn't really "make" DS9. Ira Behr and Ron Moore had way more to do with its look, feel, and arc.
     
  10. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

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    Really? SW fans see more in common with those movies, than with Star Trek? Wow.

    I guess Trek 09 really was a fluke. Someone at Paramount got a bit too excited with the budget with this one.
     
  11. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

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    SW has always been more of a mainstream product than ST, you know that.
     
  12. Jeff O'Connor

    Jeff O'Connor Commodore Commodore

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    I don't know, I'm a huge fan of both franchises. Just because SW is more mainstream by and large, that has no bearing on my (lack of) interest to go see F&F. I know a lot of people in the same boat.

    That said, sure. I can take the hit, especially where Iron Man is concerned. I do know a lot of people who skipped out on ST09 and STID but went to all three Iron Man flicks and look forward to more Star Wars.
     
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  13. Admiral Buzzkill

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    That's a silly rhetorical question, given that we've actually seen the film and don't have to base anything on a snarky article about focus groups.

    As a nearly fifty-year fan of Star Trek, this movie is the Star Trek I want - this year. I look forward to seeing more Star Trek movies, which will each be different and will continue to change with the world in which they're being made.
     
  14. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Replace fifty with forty and this is spot on how I feel.
     
  15. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It looks like After Earth is gonna flop to the tune of 30-35M this weekend. STID should coast nicely until MOS comes out.
     
  16. JamesRye

    JamesRye Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Some of you guys need to get a grip dammit!

    STID will cross the $300 million dollar mark this weekend (global total) and by the end of its run, will probably make $400-$500 million. This will make it the most successful Trek movie ever (bar the possible exception of TMP).

    Crikey - it's going to beat Star Trek 09's global gross and do rather nicely, thank you very much.
     
  17. LOKAI of CHERON

    LOKAI of CHERON Commodore Commodore

    I've used a few inflation calculators, and TMP's 1979 worldwide take of $139,000,000 is worth roughly $433,000,000 in today's money. I realise there are many other factors to take into account, but I do think the comparison is a fair guide.

    Based on that, STID has a good shot at becoming the most successful Trek movie - when judged by the final dollar tally at least.
     
  18. throwback

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    If there were more of the Admiral Buzzkill-type fans, this film wouldn't be where it is profit-wise. Unfortunately, there are not.

    The film needs to make $380 million to be successful. It is still treading water in the mid-$260s million. For the film to make $300 million, it will need to get $30 million in profits.

    As for After Earth, I don't know if it will succeed. The film does have a positive - Will Smith - and a negative - MNS. Maybe the two will balance out.

    Next week, there isn't a strong challenger coming out for number one. Then, the week after, there will be the Man of Steel. So, Star Trek has two more weeks to attempt to reach $380 million. It's possible, and I am rooting for all those Admiral Buzzkills that are out there that it will happen. If it does happen, then the chances of getting the film they want are greater.
     
  19. Roald

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    No, it's not a fair guide. In 1979, there were no crappy downloadable cam versions that legions of people watch instead of going to the cinema... There wasn't even home video, so the only way to see TMP was in the cinema (and thereafter, hoping it would air on television in about 3 to 4 years at minimum)... Today, so many people will think: 'I'll check it out when it comes out on DVD/blu ray/ whatever'. I think when you take that into account, the whole 'unadjusted gross' check of films that were released prior to the home cinema age is very flawed...
     
  20. Flake

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    Agreed. I think ST09 and STID gross can only be compared with any Trek movie from TUC/GENS onward.

    In 1979-1989 the population was smaller but there was less channels on TV, no internet, no DVD, no Blu-Ray, no PPV, no piracy and movies made their money over several months rather than several weeks. I know VHS started coming in during the mid 80s but it was only in the early-mid 90s that they were in every household I think.