STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by RAMA, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. Borgminister

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  2. Sindatur

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    Yea, I once worked for a SubContract Assembly house for Electronics PCBA.

    The owner got a salary, and with that Salary purchased the Building the Company operates in, purchased the Machines the Company uses to manuafacture the Product, and rents the Building and the machines to the Company. Even when the company was losing money horribly, the owner was making out like a bandit, and he could charge whatever rent he wanted for the building and machines, if the company started to make too much money and he needed to have it make less so the employees couldn't grumble about wantintg bonuses.

    So, yea, I'm sure the movie business operates in much the same style. Artificially inflate the budgets by over-charging yourself for renting stuff to the movie you have provided a budget for. Plus any Producty placements revenue isn't deducted out of the budget, and isn't included in the Box Office revenue numbers.
     
  3. Keeper

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    STID has left the nearest AMC theater to me but continues strong at the nearest Regal theater with as many as four showings per day, even on weekdays.

    Perhaps interestingly, The above noted AMC is located within a more densely populated area closer to downtown while the Regal is within an outlying, rural setting.
     
  4. Franklin

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    Shooting sometime in 2014 but still going for a summer 2016 release may make sense. But if 2016 is the date, why rush into it, because the 2015 calendar already looks pretty crowded with big name movies. The Movie Insider has these 2015 releases listed:
    -- Summer: Avengers 2, Justice League, Terminator 5, Independence Day 2, and another Pirates of the Caribbean movie.
    -- Winter: Finding Dory (it's a sequel to Finding Nemo), a Hunger Games sequel, a James Bond movie, and Ant-Man.
    -- Also listed for 2015: a Star Wars movie, Avatar 2, a Batman movie, and Prometheus 2.

    Star Wars and Avatar 2 will be the 800-pound gorillas in the room. One will probably come out in the summer and the other in the winter. Both should easily do $500 million domestically. Ant-Man and Justice League are new, and except for the Terminator movies and Prometheus, the rest the franchises above have cracked the $300 million mark domestically in previous releases. Really can't see ST3 getting fair due with competition like that. Fiftieth anniversary or not, 2016 seems like the better year.

    STID will come in at around $225, domestically. Of the 26 summer releases (May, June, July) from 2009 to 2013 that grossed at least $200 million domestically, ST09 ranks 16, and STID ranks 23.
     
  5. BillJ

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    From a financial aspect it wouldn't. That's money that will be tied up for 18-24 months not doing anything other than racking up interest the studio will have to pay back.
     
  6. Franklin

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    Yeah, from the financial aspect, that makes sense. Could be Quinto is just wrong about ST3, especially if Abrams will direct it. I've read SW is to start shooting in 2014. If he's to direct ST3, as the Quinto article insinuates, Abrams can't be in two places at once.

    My point was if they indeed shoot it in 2014 for whatever reason, a 2015 release would throw the movie out there into some extremely harsh competition. The SW publicity alone would overwhelm it. Better to wait to 2016 based on that, at least.

    I'd discount what Quinto said about shooting in 2014, though what he says about moving forward on a faster track makes sense in the context of the four year gap between ST09 and STID. We don't need ST3 in 2017, that's for sure.
     
  7. Noname Given

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    nuSTIII will release sometime in 2016 and the marketing will include the "50th Anniversary of Star Trek" somewhere.
     
  8. serenitytrek1

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    I believe Quinto is just bluffing. There is no way Trek 3 is shooting in 2014 with JJ as the director.

    no way.
     
  9. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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  10. CorporalClegg

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    There are plenty of ways. Like 365 of them.
     
  11. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if the next movie shoots next year and it's directed by J.J. Abrams, but I'm expecting it to shoot in 2015 with a new director at the helm.
     
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    Well it is possible JJ could direct the next ST film. If SW is scheduled to come out in 2015, that would mean it would shoot in 2014. So a shoot starting mid 2015 after SW comes out is entirely possible for a 2016 release.
     
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    It's already been mentioned that he's going to have some pretty heavy post-production and editing work to do on SW, though.
     
  14. MacLeod

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    True, but if SW comes out in May 2015. The Next ST film could start filming in say July allowing for a 3-4 month shoot. Allow another 5-6 months for post production and a May 2016 release could be made.
     
  15. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    It would be very tough to make two big FX movies in different franchises that close together. Plus Abrams may well stick with Star Wars for a while and move directly on to Episode VIII.
     
  16. Similitude

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    Whats the foreign total up to? Box Office Mojo has been stuck at 222 for foreign for a few weeks now.
     
  17. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    $222.5 million is the updated total as of last Sunday. It was $220.8 million the week before that.
     
  18. O. Brien

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    The foreign box office should get a boost when the film opens in Japan.

    Benedict Cumberbatch arrived on the 15th to start the PR for the film's opening. Over 1000 fans from all over the country showed up at the airport to greet him. He's more popular there than Tom Cruise or Johnny Depp.

    In addition to a press conference and TV appearance, Benedict also introduced the film at 3 showings. He was given an Enterprise-and-John Harrison birthday cake (it's his birthday on the 19th of this month) and the fans sang 'Happy Birthday' to him.

    During the press conference, Benedict commented that other members of the cast would be in Japan in August. Not sure if there will be a formal premiere or not, but it looks like Paramount is pulling out all the stops to ensure the film gets as much PR support as possible.

    Cumberbatch is a major star in Asia and it's likely the boost to China's box office had something to do with his casting.
     
  19. ralph

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    Let's ask for the Japanese friends to help Star Trek Into Darkness to achieve grossing $500 million worldwide. Yes, we can!
     
  20. LOKAI of CHERON

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    That'd be great, but I doubt Japan has the population to make it so! I'm guessing $460m, maybe $470, as a finish. If it scrapes the $470, that'd be a pretty damn decent take actually. Certainly, it'd be quite a stretch to describe the film as any kind of genuine "disappointment" IMHO.