STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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  1. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    Didn't say I did. However, even Paramount has said that the budget for the film was $190 million. But of course they spent the money on themselves. ;)

    Honestly, the argument is not necessary. You'll get another film out of this, and like someone else said, that's all that should matter to you. :)
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    Huh? How is posting "facts" not 'folks trying to prove Into Darkness was unsuccessful"?

    No ones really claiming "best movie evah!!1!" They've said the film was successful, but it did not pull the domestic numbers the studio hoped for. That's a bit more honest than the naysayers.

    Really? Who said that? Opus? All he did was comment how studio's have some creative ways to pay themselves. Which is about Hollywood accounting in general. Perhaps King Daniel? Nope, he was comment on how he cant spot were the money goes because he sees little difference between the films he mention.
     
  3. LOKAI of CHERON

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    This.
     
  4. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    ^Just like no one said the movie was completely "unsuccessful," just disappointing. Now anyone posting what you might not agree with is a "naysayer," okay.

    As to the rest of your comment, I'm just going to say the same thing I said to Bill. You'll get another movie, so there's no need... :)
     
  5. Nerys Myk

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    Its not like they spent it on hookers, blow and cars. They spent it on studio space, equipment and personnel. Yeah the studios and equipment was theirs and the personnel were employees, but that's Hollywood.

    Now its not necessary? :guffaw: There's a late on arrival statement, if there was one. :guffaw:

    Look up naysayer in the dictionary. yes saying it was disappointing or unsuccessful is nay saying or trying to put a negative spin on the film. If you're making negative comments, you're a naysayer. You don't even have to be wrong to be one. It has nothing to do agreeing with my opinion of the film or yours. Yea=:techman: Nay= :thumbdown: Simple.
     
  6. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    As well as filming in new locations, new actors, etc., which all means that the money was spent on the making of the film. So, thank you for agreeing with me.

    Yes, your childishness above is not necessary. It's just sad, really.

    And since we're going for the laughing smilies... :guffaw::lol::guffaw::lol:.
     
  7. Nerys Myk

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    Again, huh? I was commenting on your statement they spent it on themselves. Something common in Hollywood.

    Childishness? What are you referring to? The smiley? You can use smilies, but I can't? Explain that one.
     
  8. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    ^Now that the discussion has moved to talking about who can and can't use smilies--Goodbye, Nerys. And just so you know, you can use as many smilies as you please to have the last word here. :)
     
  9. Opus

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    Hey, I happen to be very cute...

    Also, I was responding to someone else who said they don't notice any difference between a movie claiming $150m, $190m and $225m budget, not you. It's not much of a stretch to consider that studios inflate budget costs to offset profit margins. It happens in business all the time.
     
  10. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    I can accept that, Opus. Thank you. And yes, Penguins are cute. :)
     
  11. MacLeod

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    ST (2009) did US$385 on a reported budget of US$150m if you use the ballpark x2 that means a profit of US$85

    STID has thus far done US$444m on a reported budget of US$190 using the same x2 multipler would be a profit of US$65m.

    So slightly down but as the film hasn't yet finished it's box offie run around the world the final figure might not be too dissimliar from ST (2009).

    Perhaps the only place where Paramount might be dissapointed is at the US & Canada box office as many other countries showed growth in terms of takings
     
  12. Admiral Buzzkill

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    That "ballpark x2" is meaningless, referring to nothing in the current reality of producing, marketing or distributing movies.

    It's been repeated authoritatively numerous times on the Internet, though, so it must be right. ;)
     
  13. MacLeod

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    If you not I used the word IF, I made no comment on if it was right or not.
     
  14. Opus

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    It's not.
     
  15. M'Sharak

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    Enough. Warning for trolling. Comments to PM.
     
  16. BillJ

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    It seems Hollywood has been playing a shell game with production costs and revenue for years in order to short-change the various people who would see more money from higher profits...

    http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00045706.html

    So I'm not sure how anyone can really take anything associated with Hollywood numbers as gospel. :techman:
     
  17. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Steven Soderbergh applied the rule of thumb of needing to gross 2X your costs to reach theatrical beakeven in his interviews this year when he was talking about the current financial state of the industry, so it's not an outdated rule of thumb, nor something that only box office sites talk about.

    That's not to say you can't achieve overall profitability while falling short of grossing 2X your costs. You might make up the difference and go into profit from other revenue streams. Many films do so. And there are other potential complicating factors, like how many participation points are being given away, equity splits, etc. Plus one would have to know what the real costs are and not just the ballpark public figures to have a really accurate view of the theatrical breakeven point. An outsider observer can usually get a decent sense of whether a film is a success or not on a macro level, but not in a detailed, granular way.
     
  18. BillJ

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    But I've seen other film makers talk about needing 2.5 times the production budget to break even. So which is it? It doesn't seem like even those in the know really agree on how much a film needs to make to be successful.

    It seems the only thing we know is that we really don't know much.
     
  19. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Soderbergh was talking about 2X total costs, i.e. production budget and distribution and marketing costs. Other filmmakers will sometimes talk about 2.5X production budget alone.
     
  20. Belz...

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    Posting numbers is fact. Interpreting those numbers and drawing conclusions while not privy to the whole deal is not.
     

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