STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by RAMA, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. Franklin

    Franklin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It'll also be behind "Oz, The Great and Powerful" which made $234 million domestic and $491 worldwide.

    All and all, a good take for STID. But let's be honest, isn't there something at bit unsatisfying about the domestic numbers? In April, I'd have bet a week's salary the movie would've at least matched the domestic total from ST09.

    Still, the take of the two movies show a return to relevance for the franchise, and that's probably good enough. At this date, assuming the third movie is as well-received as the first two were, put my prediction for the domestic box office take of the third movie at $262 million. (Which will mean adjusting for inflation, people will point out the movie didn't really bring in as much as ST09. There always has to be a hitch in things.)
     
  2. BillJ

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    Sure there is. I wanted Star Trek Into Darkness to do a billion-dollars and finally wipe away the stigma of being a Trek fan.

    But it didn't happen. It doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed the movie immensely and like I said before, if this is the final movie then we went out on top. A movie that was a critical-success and a moderate box-office success.
     
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  3. Sindatur

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    I expected it to squeak past $450M, and likely wouldn't make $500M. So, in actuality, it's doing a little better than I expected, since it seems it will more than squeak by $450M
     
  4. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    I was talking about summer releases, which doesn't include Oz: The Great and Powerful, which was a spring release.
     
  5. SalvorHardin

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    Yeah, there is.
    None of that money went in my bank account. :(
     
  6. Squiggy

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    Yes. Once you change the numbers, it doesn't look as good.
     
  7. JarodRussell

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    Comparing success by the numbers of tickets sold (which is essentially what you do when you adjust for ticket price inflation) is fair.
     
  8. BillJ

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    No it's not. We have no idea of the financing or merchandising or tax rebates that go into the numbers of either film. For all we know, Into Darkness could be more financially successful than the original film even with less tickets sold and a higher budget.

    The only people who know how financially successful or unsuccessful Into Darkness is, with certainty, are the folks at Paramount and Bad Robot.
     
  9. Sindatur

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    Eh, it's made enough to be profitable enough for them to be interested in making more movies.

    None of the money is going into our bank accounts (As SalvorHardin so succintly points out), so, how much over "enough to justify a sequel" doesn't really matter unless you rate your entertainment choices by popularity of the General Masses.
     
  10. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Sucess in business isn't all about volume. It's about a good return on investment. Making a large number of sales at low prices isn't inherently better or more successful than making fewer sales at high prices. It depends on the ROI.

    STID is a decent-sized hit, a big enough hit to warrant a sequel. Had it sold the same number of tickets as Star Trek it would be a much bigger hit domestically given the higher ticket prices, especially the 3D premium, but it's done well enough to be marked down as a success nevertheless.
     
  11. Franklin

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    Fair enough.

    :lol:

    It's like rooting for a professional sports team. All perspective is lost. Say your favorite baseball team wins the World Series. A lot was at stake for them. The players get about $350,000 each in winning shares and rings worth several thousand dollars each. We fans, who are as emotionally attached to the team as anyone, have nothing at stake other than getting the privilege of buying overpriced t-shirts and caps that say "World Series Champions" on them.
     
  12. Vyse

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    Yes and no.

    Recent films, it is definitely a fair comparison. However, comparing to movies from different eras isn't (IMO). Adjusted for Inflation, "Gone With the Wind" is the highest grossing film, yet the world was a very different place when that film came out. Movies were relased multiple times over the years, and obviusly people didn't have home theater systems back then. A lot of people don't bother going to the movies these days, and wait to rent them.

    Comparing ST09 to STID is very fair though.
     
  13. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    Not only that, but the studio isn't finished making money off ID yet. The DVD and bluray sales are gonna be huge. ST fans always come through for the studio when it comes to home video releases. I mean, this is the group of fans who were willing to shell out $100 for a VHS copy of "The Final Frontier."
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

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    No.

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  15. Belz...

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    I don't think it would have made a difference to casual viewers.
     
  16. BillJ

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    I don't know...

    A tagline of "Star Trek's greatest villain returns!" in the weeks running up to release might have put some butts in theater seats.
     
  17. Sindatur

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    Or, it could just as easily have driven butts out of the seats. If someone hasn't seen (or doesn't remember) Space Seed or Wrath of Khan and they think there's something they may not know about Khan, or worse, have them go in expecting a Montalbon clone, and be disappointed when they find the character is nothing like Montalbon's Khan

    It may have been good for the Box Office, but, I think a case could be made just as well that it could've hurt.
     
  18. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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  19. Noname Given

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    1) The overseas BO is MUCH better than any Star trek film to date.

    2) The combined take makes STID the highest grossing Star trek film made to date, period.

    If we follow your logic, that just means Paramount an CBS should shutter the Star Trek franchise.

    (And BTW - just because it didn't make some critic's '15 Impressive BO Take' list; it hardly means it's a disappointment to Paramount, as there are MANY Paramount films of 2013 that performed well, will see sequels, and are not on that list.)

    STID did VERY good BO business; and we'll see a STXIII by Bad Robot and Co. (And no matter how you slice it, this version of TOS era Star Trek blew EVERY feature film incarnation of TNG out of the water by an order of magnitude. If you really want to look at a disappointing Star Trek film BO performance - Star Trek: Nemesis was out-grossed in Box Office take by Jennifer Lopez's film Maid In Manhattan <---- So if you want proof the TNG film era is NOT the way to go...;))
     
  20. donners22

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    It obviously shouldn't be the sole assessment of success, but surely the raw number of people going to see the film is relevant in some respects?