Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by RAMA, Apr 26, 2013.
Nemesis and Attack of the Clones both 2002
I am a little dubious of the Disney's plan to make Star Wars movies each year. It remains to be seen if they actually start developing another SW movie while Abrams is still working on his.
Even if Trek has to face a Star Wars movie in 2016 it will be a spin-off Star Wars movie and not the mainline Abrams version which is supposed to come out in 2015.
Oh, we're talking about the fucking SW spinoffs! Okay, I missed that.
That's just one more summer blockbuster that Trek has to deal with in the scheduling landscape, then. Might as well worry about Transformers.
D'oh. You're right. Mid-2015 according to the googles.
I wouldn't be surprised if that slips though.
I've been hearing 2015, yeah. But I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
Yeah, AOTC and Nemesis were both released in 2002, although at different times during the year. They weren't in direct competition. Insurrection and Episode 1: TPM were quite close together in release, although INS was late 1998 and TPM was the following year, in May.
I think going up against a SW film would be financial suicide for Trek. Although I prefer Star Trek and always have, I enjoy SW as well, and acknowledge that Trek just isn't as big a box office draw as its closest rival. SW casts a wider net, and appeals to a larger demographic.
Yes, here in Melbourne as well, STID has finished its theatrical run, but there are still a few sessions screening in selected theatres in the city. I might go catch it for a fifth time in the Palace Nova cinema in town.
I went to a 1:45 pm matinee today and the room (seating about 100-120) was over half full...and judging from the audience reaction, it was mostly a group of first timers, not multiple viewers like me...
How is she? I haven't heard from her in over a year.
I have only seen Star Trek Into Darkness once. Mom's health is shaky... in and out of hospital. Home health is here from 10am-5pm weekdays, so it is difficult to get out for a movie. Blu-rays & DVDs comprise most of my movie experience. I am amazed that someone sees any movie as often as I see here. More power to you!
I don't think this can be stressed enough: Star Wars is THE franchise and the original blockbuster. Whether you prefer one franchise or the other is irrelevant: SW is a vastly superior product (in that it sells a whole lot more.)
For Star Trek to succeed overseas, it had to become less Star Trek. Star Wars has never had to become less of what it was to succeed overseas. Star Wars succeeds because it's not overly philosophical. Star Wars is about the struggle between the forces of evil and the forces of good, which can be easily understood in any culture.
Indeed, I thought about seeing it for a third time, but just missed a half-price screening. Now it seems to be gone altogether. Oh well, it may float into one of the little cinemas at some stage. Shame it missed the school holidays - it would be nice to draw in some younger fans.
Palace Kino, Collins Street. Now.
Apparently it's still showing in the Melbourne CBD. At one theatre (the Palace Nova in Collins Street). I may go this weekend.
Well SW might be a vastly more popular product but as for a vastly superior product well that's a matter for debate.
In a business sense, it is the superior product, in that it makes a great deal more money.
In an artistic sense, in my opinion, Trek is the more meritorious product. Although Star Trek can't claim innocence from being compromised for the mainstream, at certain points during its near-50 year history.
Trek would appear to have a glass ceiling. No matter what they change, try to tell people this isn't their father's Trek; it doesn't seem like it can get over 500 mil. Maybe next time, it will happen.
Sorry about your mum. I hope she is feeling better now.
it is quite clear that STiD underperformed at the USA box office. I do think the fan service and excessive homages turned a lot of people off.
If trek wants to be very successful again they need to go back to the formula they used in ST09.
I'm not sure there is actually a way to objectively determine that, but even so I don't think I would agree that one is really superior to the other that way. Plus, for the longest time, Trek had 8 movies and 3-4 series under its belt, while Wars had 3 movies and a few idiotic spin-offs.
Well, it could be said that Lucas understood the power of leaving your audience wanting more.
The definition of "underperforming" today is absolutely ridiculous. As Bryan Singer said following the "disappointing" receipts for Superman Returns, "That movie made $400 million! I don’t know what constitutes under-performing these days..."
For the record, though, STID, which hasn't completed it's run yet, stands at $221.2 million domestic and $438.8 million total. That's pretty damn impressive. ST09, following its completed run, had $257.7 million domestic and $385.6 million total. IOW, the current movie has already beaten the overall worldwide total of ST09 by more than $50 million. And given the fact that there was such a long period without any Trek before ST09 and the anticipation was so high, I think the difference in the domestic totals for a sequel is quite reasonable, and the domestic box office still very successful.
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