STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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  1. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    TUC contradicts STV and a lot of TOS where the stories involving Klingons often showed that Kirk was merciful or discovered he was being hypocritical.
    In Friday's child the entire command crew was querying Kirk's conviction of Klingon's guilt without evidence. In STV the crew were drinking and carousing with the Klingons.
    Then suddenly in TUC they're a bunch of racists.
    Despite all this I really liked TUC - my 3rd favourite Star Trek movie.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    The Klingons go from losing the ability to make war and being forced to sue for peace in VI, to having a war fleet that's dominating the Federation in YE. There's also talk of plans to evacuate Kronos in VI, but then the planet is somehow just fine in TNG.
     
  3. BillJ

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    Over a fifty year period? Sure. The Klingons likely weren't going to give up their home without attempting to solve the problem. Why would they give up their military? Starfleet sure didn't give up theirs in the intervening years.

    There's nothing regarding the Klingons in The Undiscovered Country that can't be easily explained. Plus, I never understood disliking a piece of entertainment because it conflicts with another piece of entertainment.
     
  4. Blackhorse47

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    I seem to remember Starfleet rebuilding the fleet in about 18 months after the Borg atacks, so I'm sure the Klingons can do better!
     
  5. CorporalCaptain

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    There's nothing like a long period of peace for fixing one's war machine!
     
  6. MacLeod

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    Two possibilites come to mind.

    1.>They were able to fix the problem that was affecting Qo'nos.

    2.>They relocated to another planet as planned and simply renamed it Qo'nos.
     
  7. BillJ

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    And lets be honest, the peace between the Federation and Klingons always seemed like it was on the verge of falling apart. It seemed like the Klingons were threatening to ditch the treaty every other week towards the end of TNG/DS9.
     
  8. Locutus of Bored

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    Hell, that precise timeline is even explicitly referenced within the dialogue of the film itself:

    Federation President Red Foreman:
    "Suppose the following agenda is as follows: the total evacuation of Kronos has been calculated within the fifty earth year time span. Phase I - the preparation for evacuation..."


    You know what's a good excuse for building lots of ships? Evacuating an entire planet. You know what's a good excuse for needing extra firepower? Evacuating an entire planet of vulnerable people. You know who would be out of work and in need of government work programs like building a fleet of new ships? The evacuees of an entire planet. There's nothing inconsistent between TUC and Yesterday's Enterprise. The Klingons always had itchy trigger fingers, even toward their Federation allies, as can be seen in the episode with Riker as an exchange officer on a Klingon ship and in The Way of the Warrior.

    Plus, I seem to remember many people thinking that the Great War would be the war to end all wars due to the utter devastation, financial burden, death toll, and treaties/restrictions/reparations wrought or placed upon many of the participants, and yet twenty years later the Great War became WWI because they were back at it again.
     
  9. Franklin

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    It's Red Forman, not Foreman. Dumbass. (Sorry, had to.) ;) :p
     
  10. Locutus of Bored

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  11. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    I don't suppose the 80 year difference had anything to do with it? :rommie:
     
  12. ralph

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    BoxOffice Mojo is reporting that STID grossed $ 199,866,194 domestic. On Monday, I read something like STID crossed the $200M ($200.140 M). Did I read wrong?
     
  13. The Transformed Man

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    The weekend actual was adjusted slightly down, hence the change.


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  14. johnjm22

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    Funny, I think 6 is the best looking out of all of them. Easily the best set designs and most "real" looking ships. The only thing that doesn't look good IMO is the floating CGI Klingon blood.
     
  15. BillJ

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    I love The Undiscovered Country.

    But...

    Many of the sets do look cheap and in the end battle the lighting of the Enterprise and Excelsior looks really off making them look "plasticky". The mystery plot isn't exactly "deep" but the movie is saved by the character moments including Kirk's "Let them die!" and Gorkon's death scenes.
     
  16. LOKAI of CHERON

    LOKAI of CHERON Commodore Commodore

    Agreed. It doesn't look anymore or less cheap than movies II-V IMO.
     
  17. johnjm22

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    I think the sets look great.

    Overall I like the way the film looks because they were still primarily using models as opposed to CGI. With some of the newer movies (TNG and Abrams stuff), some parts look too "cartoony."

    I always appreciated the maturity that Meyers brought to Star Trek. He didn't portray Klingons as meat heads, and his films always had the best dialog.
     
  18. Borgminister

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    How many did he direct, since you said "films"?

    Never mind--Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. Answered my own question.
     
  19. gottacook

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    As for some parts looking too "cartoony": That's the problem I have with all CGI-heavy movies. Once you see enough of them, CGI effects look as fake as the process shots in the train scene at the end of the Marx Brothers' Go West (1940). I lament the modelmaking talent that has gone to waste in the past 15-20 years.

    Whether CGI and its products are inherently less preferable is a question analogous to the one at the center of John Varley's "The Unprocessed Word," perhaps.

    I enjoyed TUC in the theater in '91 and found nothing substandard about the effects. Hated the digital clock atop the main viewer, though.
     
  20. Opus

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    I agree. It was done quick, and on the cheap. And it shows.

    I have that feeling with all TNG movies as well. The audience wasn't getting their money's worth paying for a film that they could get on their TV every week for free. Wasted opportunity.