STID: The Ethics of the Ending

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  1. Gaith

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    ^ Presumably he knows too many Starfleet secrets to just be handed over in such a manner.

    ... But I don't care how brilliant you and your buddies are, if you're starting out from scratch on a deserted planet, even if you do know how to build spaceships and can preserve that knowledge, it'd still take generations and generations to create a population large enough to build the necessary foundries, factories, mines and computers necessary to make a ship. Based on what we saw of augments on Enterprise, that level of cooperation would be extremely difficult for Khan and his pals. If their descendants ever did succeed in rebuilding space flight, they'd almost certainly be an entirely different race from the one originally marooned.
     
  2. DonIago

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    "If their descendants ever did succeed in rebuilding space flight, they'd almost certainly be an entirely different race from the one originally marooned."

    That might well be for the best.
     
  3. Set Harth

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    And if STID tells us anything, it's that it doesn't take very long to make them an entirely different race!
     
  4. T'Girl

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    And which his magic blood, did Khan even have a "life span." Immortality.

    From the start of the industrial revolution until the landing on the moon it was two centuries, Khan and his people (and their growing population of children) might reach that level of technology in a single century. From the moon landing until Cochrane's warp flight it was one century, Khan might cut that by two-thirds.

    By "post-Nemesis" Khan is free and could have a fleet of starships.

    And of course his savagery.

    What could possibly make you think so?

    This is entirely separate alternate universe, a decade before the prime universe only had one death penalty offense on the books. Once the list of his offense was read (in a secret Starfleet court) they'd be executing Khan by phaser right there in the court room.


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  5. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ The branching point between the two timelines only happened a quarter-century before STID took place. That's not really enough time for a huge change to happen in Federation/Starfleet law. Since the reason for the branched Abrams timeline (remember, prior to 2233, it did not exist) is due to Nero and the Narada, then logically any differences between the two timelines can be attributed TO those things. Would Nero or his ship be cause for Starfleet to adopt any additional death penalty offenses? I doubt it. Therefore, there can't be any more death penalty offenses in the Abrams timeline than in the old.

    So there. :p

    (actually, it might even be that the Abrams timeline has no death penalty AT ALL. Seems obvious that Pike has never visited Talos IV, for example. So unless someone else has, then no one has ever met the Talosians of this timeline - and therefore Starfleet would have no reason to have ANY death penalty.)
     
  6. Crazy Eddie

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    Among the "contents of these cargo bays" would be some modern tools and equipment ("modern" in the 23rd century context, make of that what you will). So if they could build a house, they could build a workshop, possibly equipped with a furnace to help forge even better tools.

    More than enough to bootstrap your way to spaceflight capability, if you're making it a priority. Seventy five years later, Khan's people would be developing their equivalent of the Phoenix.
     
  7. T'Girl

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    It might not be a case of adding death penalties, but when did they reduce to one? At the time period of Darkness they might still have a dozen of offenses that carry the death sentence.

    In The Menagerie, when Mendez said; "And to do so [visit Talos Four] is the only death penalty left on our books. Only Fleet Command knows why," this to me said that that particular death penalty was internally Starfleet's, and not the Federation's in general.

    In the prime universe, the Federation could have had a bountiful number in death penalties in their civilian courts.


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  8. section9

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    Quite right. Indeed, now that Pike is dead, the Talos IV affair never appears to have happened, at least to Chris Pike.

    Doesn't mean it can't happen to Kirk and Spock.
     
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