STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Opus, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    You think we've had it tough here? You should read what Trek fans are saying on other sites:

    ... and much more.

    Anybody agree?
     
  2. CorporalClegg

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    I agree this post makes a fair point.
     
  3. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    STID is not that repulsive! There's some good to it you know: Pike, Karl Urban, references to Section 31, scenes where Spock is dealing with the aftermath of the destruction of Vulcan, the silly but entertaining introduction scene and tribbles. Plus STID has the best graphics and action period out of all the Trek movies.

    I don't see how it is possible to absolutely dislike something. STID had some cool and good features and I have little love for this film but action wise it had some cool bling I'll give you that.
     
  4. Set Harth

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    There is actually a fair amount of similarity between the way PineKirk acts in STID and the way Kirk acted in TOS.
     
  5. M.A.C.O.

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    ^ Here Here

    Kirk was dealing with a lot of BS in that film. Only one year ago he saved the Earth and potentially the entire UFP. He breaks the Prime Directive one time (seriously does ANYONE in Starfleet take that thing seriously) and get's sent back to the Academy. How humiliating for a decorated hero. Pike fights to make it a mere demotion to Commander a few scenes later. Next his mentor and father figure is murdered by a terrorist and Kirk goes on a crusade to bring that man to justice. Only to discover the terrorist and Kirk himself have been manipulated by the very chain of command they both swore to uphold.
     
  6. Opus

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    Some have said, though, that Pine's Kirk is much different than the Kirk from TOS.

    Others have decried there are NO redeemable qualities in STiD here. It's also spoken elsewhere...
     
  7. Coloratura

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    It may come down to bias. In fact, I would be it comes down to bias. For myself, I kept open the idea that Pine's Kirk would be different, but when I watched ST09 (and again in STiD), I saw Pine really echo many of Shatner's mannerisms in Kirk. Not so much to be a copy, but enough for me to believe that yes, these two men, Kirk from TOS and Kirk in these movies, is the same man.
     
  8. Maurice

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    If I wanted to see old-fashioned Star Trek I can watch the old show and the old movies. To me it's fun to see a different take on something that I felt had long ago gone stale. But, seriously, the constant bellyaching of people who didn't like it became tiresome months ago.
     
  9. DonIago

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    It became tiresome in 2009, if not earlier.

    We get it, you don't like it. Can we move on now, please?
     
  10. Awesome Possum

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    Pine really seems like a young Kirk. He's Kirk before getting slapped down a few times, that's why he's a little more laid back and in control later. It's called going from your 20s to your 30s.
     
  11. Opus

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    So it seems STiD might have some redeeming qualities. That's positive.

    Consider this. I believe a number of people here expressed this:

    ETA:

     
  12. ComicGuy89

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    A paragraph about "original intent" without actually expressing what that intent was. I suppose TWOK's militarized feel reflected the original intent? Or TNG's conflict-free bridge? Or Deep Space Nine's dark moral ambiguity and deconstruction of a utopia? Or Voyager's reversal of venturing to the final frontier and instead venturing back? Or Star Trek's vision of the future suddenly going back more than 200 years in Enterprise?

    At the end of the day, all it comes down to is that each fan has his or her own definition of what Star Trek is to them. It's all subjective when it comes to defining Trek. And yes, I regard each and every one of those I mentioned as Star Trek, but I do like some aspects more than others. :D
     
  13. Sindatur

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    Isn't this a complete falsehood? Aren't Orci and Kurtzman huge Fans from way back and wrote the screenplay?

    In addition to this, in TOS, we never met Kirk this young, but, here in today's world, it's very likely someone like TOS Kirk would indeed be very much like Bad Robot Trek's Kirk when he was younger
     
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  14. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Well to be fair, I didn't write that. I was quoting someone else.

    Here's another interesting tidbit:

    As well as:

    And:

    Also:

    Poor Michael Giacchino...
     
  15. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I wonder, why are you sharing these? This is not a snide remark, I'm just curious as to what you wish for us to do with them. Discuss them?

    Subtle layerings? Like these?

    In TOS, the moral was often whammed into your face with a healthy side of phaser action.
     
  16. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    Yea I read that, but, if you don't want the quotes challenged, why post them?
     
  17. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Absolutely discuss them. They are from Trek fans on another board. Any agreement/disagreement? So far people acknowledge that perhaps STiD has more redeemable qualities than first thought, which is good.

    I agree. It was ham-handed most of the time. Was this the case at all with STiD?

    I do want them challenged. Or agree.

    Some on the STiD creative team indeed were fans. Abrams was not, however. And he's steering the ship, after all.
     
  18. Ln X

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    You mean you want to forcibly change the opinions of those Trek fans who did not like the movie?
     
  19. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

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    Do you agree with these statements about the movies I've posted, or are the bunk? Not trying to force anyone's opinion to change.
     
  20. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    Ah, OK. the way you replied "To be fair, I'm just quoting someone else" seemed like you were offended that I asked if that was bit about the screenplay writer(s) having to be forced to watch some Trek was true. Sorry about that :alienblush: